This Company Awarded Its CEO $1.8 Million – Your Jaw Will Drop When You See What He Did with the Money

HolleyCorporate Chief Executive Officer bonuses are frequently criticized as excessive, and at least one CEO apparently agrees. When Plum Creek Timber CEO Rick Holley received his bonus of $1.85 million, he did the unthinkable. He returned it.

Fortune Magazine reported:

[Holley] has returned 44,445 restricted stock units back to the company because “he does not believe that he should receive such an award unless Plum Creek’s stockholders see an increase in their investment return.”

When the Board responded with surprise, Holley said,

I told them I wasn’t asking for their approval. They had given these to me and I appreciated their confidence in me, but I didn’t feel comfortable taking them…

This has been a year where total shareholder returns are down 10% or more. It just wasn’t the right thing to do.

Plum Creek Timber explained in its official filing:

…in light of prevailing economic conditions, Mr. Holley elected to return the restricted stock units because he does not believe that he should receive such an award unless Plum Creek’s stockholders see an increase in their investment return. Nonetheless, Mr. Holley remains fully committed to Plum Creek and intends to lead the company through this challenging and prolonged economic cycle.

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  • Ruth Welt

    A man of character!

  • k5r4

    We need more CEOs like him. He is a rarity.

  • The Frog Prince

    Should have given it to a reputable charity.

    • KingDon

      Hard to find one today.

    • ernaldin

      So the administrators of the charities can take 75% off the top? St Jude’s maybe, but I stopped giving years ago!

  • Leslie

    he has done a very honest and admirable thing. Saying he should have given it to charity, is sort of like saying if someone saved a life they are responsible for them forever. It is never enough for some people. Give him a kudo for what he has done. This type of man more than likely gives to some charities anyway.

    • RetiredTpr

      He definately is not a liberal democrat. They would never do such a thing!

      • Obviously he is not an ignorant Republican, he is able to actually use his brain 🙂

        • dmbunce

          Obviously, he is not a Republican or democrat, he is a conservative because he used his brain.

          • Christopher Allen

            Uh, dumbdoodoo, conservatives are republican! I hope you mean’t independents!

          • marlene.langert

            Not quite, Christopher. All Republicans are not conservative enough. THey are called Rhinos. I would rather be an independent although I would never vote for a dimocrat at this point in history. In my state you are not allowed to vote in the primary unless you are a democrat or republican so I had no choice. I really consider myself an independent, but I always wanted to vote. I also consider myself a conservative.

          • Jeff Warner

            Conservatives and liberals can be members of any political party. Being liberal does not equate with being democrat and being conservative does not equate with being republican. Is every member of the green party a liberal or conservative, or members of the libertarian party, the true non-party, consisting of somewhere near 20% of the voters? No! Statistics have shown that every person has his or her own position. I’m a conservative, yet not affiliated with any political party. I vote for those that I personally believe will do the best job. I do not pay attention to political sides, and love Democrats and Republicans that fight for the people. I vote as an Independent, not the party but the belief!

        • pianobill

          Using his brain proves he is not a dumbcrat, dumbcrats don’t have brains.

          • Thank you for the compliment, I do love compliments from ignorant teabaggers 🙂

          • Jeff Warner

            How do you gain any information by calling people you do not know, a Teabagger? The true ignorant fool in this entire group is you. Read, learn, listen, study.

          • Thank you for the compliment Jeff, I welcome all compliments from teabaggers like you 🙂

        • Jeff Warner

          That’s why liberal democrats believe in abortion and not the death penalty. Death for a crime is different than death for an unborn innocent child. Who is really ignorant. Robert is in the stupidity group. Is the light on or off? Robert should state it is both or neither, lacking the intelligence of politics and what is right for a similar meaning. Try attending a conservative school, and stay away from idiot liberals. Your intelligence would undoubtedly increase.

          • Are you always wrong Jeff? Or only on days ending in y?

      • Christopher Allen

        Why do you all have to “pollute” this with frigging politics? Get a darned life! I would have used another word, but it probably would have been “censored”!

        • josselineh

          I totally agree with you! I applaud you! this has nothing to do with politics! Not everything is about politics….sometimes it’s about someone doing the right thing for a change and he’s just an American…yes I know that concept does escape some of you who use this as a podium for politics!

      • marv

        What do you think his annual salary is? if his bonus was almost 2 million dollars, If his bonus was ten percent of his salary
        his salary would have to be 18 million, do you think he can afford to return the bonus, such a wonderful guy to help the poor stock holders, he could have given it to St Jude children’s hospital to help the children of all walks of life who are struggling with cancer, very young children, he is no hero to me, and I will guarantee that any Democrat is far more generous then what bush calls a compassionate conservative, an oxymoron if there ever was one.

        • Greyguy

          First, before opening mouth look it up; it is public knowledge.

          Second, There are numerous studies out that prove that the R’s donate more than the D’s for all the talk about compasion they are not.

          • marv

            I believe if my figures are correct that 95 % percent of the wealth in the USA is controlled by 1% of
            the population, there is a tendency for the wealthy in our society to be conservatives. They donate
            millions of dollars more then Democrats for elections and many ignoble causes to try and destroy reputations of decent people, money is power and if it wasn’t, the Republicans would never hold national office. they with impunity are grey racists, all you have to do is look at the ranks of their membership and the voting block of red states, mostly southern. Human compassion which includes
            a variety of races is not in the Republican agenda of good will. But on the bright side along as all Americans our concerned with the least among us and all people are charitable in the final analysis
            that all that really matters. By the way my mouth wasn’t open when I wrote my comments, the comment shows you are an indignant person. Learn to address people with a little respect.

          • Greyguy

            You have been listening to the MSM for too long and the progressives have just as much money as conservatives. As to what they do with it the progressives are far more destructive in terms of individual or Civil Rights ..Soros, Bloomberg, Gates and the computer crowd who routinely invade privacy for a living, Buffet despite claims otherwise made most of his money lobbying after he invested in a company, need I go on…

            I didn’t say you had your mouth open, I said get your facts strait by looking them up as opposed to making up data which is probably false, especially when they are available by a simple Google search, never assume. I was being rude because you had no idea what you were talking about and all you had were assumptions not facts; If you tried that in one of my university level management classes you fail. When you start telling others what to do with their money that is not liberalism or socialism, it is called Facism.

            As for assuming Republicans are racists, you are an ignorant person who must never read anything, according to the latest university studies of races Blacks are the most racist, followed by Hispanics, then Asians, with Whites at the bottom of the list. Since all the folks who are at the top of the list vote primarily Democratic, You might want to reconsider you statement about who the racists are.

            Be compassionate, but not via the government, the welfare state takes over 40% to administer, I have never run a business that took that much to administer. The Red Cross takes 7%, Most Veterans organizations take 15%, Get the government out of the compassion business or it turns into an entitlement business. If I had all the money I put in Social Security and invested it, two things would be true 1) a lot of money would have gone into the economy for investment 2) I would have double to tripled my net worth. Now that probably would not been true of most people, but it would have taken a lot of money away from the government and made them a lot more frugal over the years, and would have relieved them of giving me support payments until I die. We are a country, not a church, if you screw off all your life I do not feel the need for the government to support you, at church I might. If you come across the border illegally I have no sympathy what so ever to provide for you, if your children are born here I do not consider them citizens, if you do let them live in your yard, but do not tax me! I help my veteran friends and family.

          • marv

            With all you brilliant economists who have graduated from the finest colleges, with all your facts
            and figures still can’t figure it out, facts can be anything someone wants them to be to fit their
            own agenda, you obviously choose that road, when you use the term probably false does leave some room for disagreement, and by the way what is taught in school college or otherwise, how they hope the economy works, you can throw most of it out the window. I started my own business in the manufacturing industry and ran it successfully for almost 50 years so I have had applied application as what’s real and what’s not. I think it’s great that you have the ability and the smarts to have been able to invest money that you paid into social security by investing in the market, but most people don’t and the stock market being manipulated as it is today and no doubt in the past as well for most people they might as well go to Vegas, look at the housing market, people who invested in a home as one of their prime investments for retirement, and that’s people from all walks of life have lost their security. Real estate was always a sound investment until the corrupt bankers.and mortgage company’s and other lending institutions including wall street tore the hearts out millions of peoples lives, and not likely to ever recover, more people are renting now then buying because it’s very risky when you can’t trust big business. AIG executives should have gone to prison for what they did.

            I will reconsider who the racist are. If I locked you in a closet for two hundred years, I don’t think
            you when let out would be in love with me, people of color have a right to be angry for what slavery did to them. The white population is far greater then the black by many millions, so if you want to play semantics there are way more white racists whites then black, Asians are basically homogeneous in nature and between the different Asian cultures there is no love lost. and they probably don’t care for Caucasians any more then blacks, by your answer I question your own racial attitude. Again look at the Republicans, there is not even a token person of color
            in there party any one with common sense can come to an easy conclusion about who the racists
            are in our country. All you have to do is look where the Republicans get their votes, and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist figure it out, the farm belt and the southern states.

            I didn’t tell anyone what to do with their personal money and never would, but to go public with what wonderful guy he is for not taking an almost 2 million dollar bonus, giving it back to the company because of stock holders is like listening to TV evangelists. I think maybe he has a guilty conscience and didn’t want the backlash, and with the salary he gets, which I’m sure is in the millions probably was a tax burden to him, just think, he could have given it to St Jude for children and written it off, but he would rather make himself a hero in the eyes of “stock holders, but be as it may he can do what ever he wants, but it didn’t impress me.

            At the top rung of the wealthiest men or women in our country, the equality of wealth is probably even, but the wealth of the richest one percent is far greater then the rest of the population in the USA. and that’s the way our system works, to accumulate billions of dollars for personal use and still want more is insane, The Bull Gates foundation is one of the most charitable in the world,as he advances billions of dollars to extremely important causes, he is a terrific person and is compassionate. When George W Bush made the statement of compassionate conservatism,
            all I could think of was there was never a greater oxymoron.

            From your words it sounds like you may be a professor of economics, keep up the good work
            and don’t worry, I don’t, not going to live forever, when you cease to exist all these issues disappear and we can leave for the next generation to figure out what comes next.

            The three banes of mankind are Religion, politics, and money corruption is always
            knocking at the front door. People would rather be right then happy. On my tombstone
            it will read IF I HAD ALL THE ANSWERS I WOULDN’T BE HERE.

          • Greyguy

            I have 35 years of business experience and now teach on a part time basis at 0several universities and do the occasional seminar to string together s full time job, since most employers want my experience but want to pay me like I’m 30. No such thing as age discrimination unless your over 40! So they hire the 30 year old and end up with management problems, workforce problems, union problems, and ultimately profitability problems…so much for saving money on a salary.

            The problem I see with Democratic leadership is the exploitation of Black and Hispanic voters who they make promises to and in reality hurt by not providing economic opportunity. The business regulations that have been put forth have mostly given US business incentives to go overseas for tax and other regulations, many of which are totally counterproductive to producing jobs in the continental US and do not actually help the environment, unions, or the economy. There are good regs and silly ones. This administration has perpetrated mostly silly ones that are anti business and very costly to job production. Instead of economic [read long term oppotunities] Welfare opportunies are provided that the productive citizens pay for WIC, Food Stamps, section8 housing, cash assistance, cell phones, car puchase programs, and medicaid. If you add this all up it can be over $50K in benefits in some cases and that would be after taxes for for us. This is not solving a problem, it is buying people off to vote and make them dependent. I do not consider that a favor to anyone. Then when a Republican wants to cut or not increase a program the sreaming starts about racism and pushig granny off the cliff, when in reality this is exploitation on a grand scale which is creating a cycle of dependency, not a hand up. Blacks have a right to be mad, but they should direct it at those who do the exploitation, not those who want to break the cycle. The unfortunate part is that the media likes controversy not truth, so who knows what is real to those who get their info only from the tube/Sharptons.
            Look at the Cuban American Community and it will give you a model of what a successful ethnic communities looks like and has economic opportunity for them and their surrounding neighbors, unlike welfare hoods.
            I had a small fabrication/installation business in a marginal neighborhood. My fulltimers were mostly women, alot of partimers out on parole who worked other jobs full time jobs, and installers on contract. The neighborhood benefited from our presence and we helped the locals with jobs, cast off material for their houses, etc. and never had problems, in fact they looked out for my property since we were an asset to them: old Italian, Black, Hispanic, poorer white. That’s it for now , we can continue later.

          • Jay

            Marv, ever hear of George Soros or Tom Spyer (sp?) or Unions that controbute millions to Demos, or Pelosi who contributed millions to defeat Repub. candidates? Where are you getting your information that Repubs donate more than demos? Which Demos reputations have been destroyed by Repubs? What is wrong with working hard, becoming successful and becoming wealthy? Isnt this what this country is supposed to be all about? How do you think this nation became the beacon on the hill for so many millions trying to enter? And who makes it possible for the needy to get welfare?
            It sounds like you are letting your political ideology, akin, if I may, to socialism or communism, influence any good judgement and cause you to hate Republicans. You are being influenced by the Obama ideology that this nation is evil and the source of all the trouble in the world and that Repubs. are preventing progress. Remember, the only promise he ever kept is: I will Transform America, and yes, he has done this. Heck, look how much you dislike our country !!

          • Jay

            Ever hear of George Soros or Tom Speyer or all those multi-millionaires in Hollyhood? Take a look at probably every university and what will you see? A building or two donated by those very wealthy 1% of Americans, most all of whom worked their asses off to rise up the ladder, work hard, pay taxes and yes, became wealthy. So where is the problem? It is where people are envious of the wealthy, people who believe like communists that wealth must be shared, and people who have no incentive to work their way up the ladder of success when they dont have to work hard and live off various charities/welfare.
            So, which is the better for the nation and the individuals???

          • marv

            Jay I answered your questions, and all you can answer is with your same rhetoric name calling. anyone who is a humanist is a communist. A building donated with their name in bright lights,
            they even want recognition, for eternity. If they were givers from the heart, they would ask to not have recognition, that then would be truly giving, they are just saying, look at what a wonderful person I am. Most people are not envious of wealth, and there area whole bunch of people in the news, like Romney, the Bush boys, guys like Trump and so many more that have been handed incredible without working their ass off and climbing the ladder as you have suggested. I’m not
            exactly poor Jay, and have been around wealth all my life, my younger brother was president of Starbucks international, he is extremely wealthy and quietly very generous. How much money for one person is enough 1 million, 10, 100 , or billions, but there is a tendency for some wealthy people to protect their wealth by wanting people to work for slave wages,in this day and age is 15 dollars per hour such a huge amount, apparently it is, because those in power especially conservatives would prefer that there is no minimum wage, that’s whats wrong with wealth that controls by political power doing things that only benefit them, greed is a sickness like alcohol and drugs, they can never get enough, they are addicted like gluttons for recognition, money and not their morality is the only ticket they have. Jay I have enjoyed communicating with you but our opinions are so diverse that we are heading to nowhere, I respect your opinion, even though I think it’s not a healthy one, but that’s what make the world go around. This is America and we all have the right to believe and think as we may, and that’s why this country is great, and not by the wealth
            that is garnered by 1% of the population and controls with their money the lifes of so many.

          • Jay

            Marv. can you ever address the issues at hand? I called you before on your charge that Bush W. lied about the two wars – and you worked hard to avoid answering the FACTS i listed out. What the Hell are you talking about that Romney, Bush and Trump were handed everything and did not have to work their asses off? Romney’s father was a governor and was with American Motors which went down the tubes. Bush has a governor and not from a wealthy family. And Trump, as far as i know started from scratch.
            And who wants people to work for slave wages. You claim to be have been a businessman, but know what, you are full of it, for if you were you would understand that the more you pay employees, the less likely you would expand your business and then hire more people and that the added wages would be added to the price of the goods sold. Any possibility you might understand all this? Part time work, like flipping hamburgers at a McDonald is never intended to be a living wage, but rather as an introduction to work and advancement and then higher wages, etc. Try try try real hard to understand economics, business and politics and try to get away from what appears to by an ingrown ideology.

          • Jay

            Please post these numerous studies. And where do you suppose Obama went on his fundraising trips? to those on welfare? Or the rich fat cats some of who payed over $20,000 / plate to jaw with this Disaster of a President? And do you suppose they are Democrats or republicans? Just wondering.

          • Greyguy

            I’ve gotten them through commentary by Walter Williams, Larry Elder, WSJ, and Krauthammer. I am not great at remembering where every article comes from since I am not an academic by training, its my part time semi-retirement career.
            I just read a lot. If I need it, I use Google to refresh my memory, which is what most of thes folks should do before stating things they heard on MSNBC that are either false or cherry picked to the point of obfuscation.
            As an aside, there is a little box on the campaign contribution computer form that identifies where the contribution came from which the Obama folks shut off which virtually scuttled any attemt to figure out where all those Small Internet contributions came from. I once took the total figure the Obama Campaign said came frome small donors and divided by $50 and came up with over 70% of the total number of registered Democrats in the United States; does that seem a bit suspicious to you?

          • Jay

            It really bothers the hell out of me to realize how much money is spent on political campaigns. And dont forget that it is the news media that benefits the most. Don’t remember the number, but didn’t this last election cost over $1 BILLION? It seems that the person who can raise the most money gets a better shot at being elected rather than how qualified he/she might be. A very sad sad commentry on what has happened to our country. How is a far far better qualified person to be elected who has no money nor PACs to raise money for him/her. Politics has become a way of life to too many. Our brilliant Founding Fathers never envisioned this happening. they dictated that people would be elected to the Congress and go to Washington for brief periods of time and then return to their farms, their towns, their businesses, etc. They must be turning over in their graves to learn how ugly and disgusting our election cycle has become. we need to do what so many other countries do – prohibit electioneering more than some number of months (3?) prior to an election

          • Greyguy

            That and/or public funding is a thought, but it seems to play into the hands of those who are already known who are usually the existing office holders. The only other hope would be someone who has a name outside politics prior to an election or lots of money to by ads. My supposition may not always be true but I hate to see the estabishment get an advantage just for existing.

        • marlene.langert

          Marv, I am sure you must know that many, many CEOs and other high paid people donate almost nothing. A prime example of that is Joe Biden with Obamas not too far behind him on donating. Conservatives want to teach and enable the poor to advance themselves. Democrats want to keep the people in a line so they can keep them poor , uneducated, followers or sheep so they keep them on welfare, etc forever.

          • marv

            Marlene, thanks for your reply. Perception is reality, it’s interesting isn’t it how two people can
            look at the same thing and come up with different reality’s. Is it possible to teach the poor while they
            have no shelter or food to advance themselves. I’m not a Christian, but wasn’t it Jesus would fed
            the hungry bringing manna from the skies, he didn’t say fend for yourself and if you die, well that’s your problem. Your comment that Democrats keep people poor to keep them in line is an unusual comment, as the jobs have increased under Obama millions more then under bush. It seems to me that the Republicans fight all attempts to fund education and other programs that would eliminate some of the poor “sheep”. Is it possible that the greed of large corporations such as Wal-Mart buy their greed of buying cheap merchandise from china so that they can make more money, has eliminated millions of factory jobs in our country that less educated people could find work. The jobs today for the working poor that pay minimum wage that is unlivable with our high cost of living creates even more poor, most people want to work, and they could, however some unemployment helps company’s to not pay living wages, because there is no competition for jobs that would be available to workers, if there were full employment, wages would go up quickly because company’s would be fight for the available workers. The federal reserve, which is not a government program controls the money supply, which is owned by the banks, who without a doubt are conservatives manipulate the economy by an infusion of capitol or a retraction of capitol to control inflation of which we have not had any appreciable amounts in the last several years. when they reduce the infusion of capitol it causes recessions and puts people out of work, they through no fault of their own suffer the consequences. The reality is that that the Democrats
            in our society recognize that all people are not created equal, and in the curve of the human condition, there will always be poor no matter how much education or thought that you can just teach people to be self sustaining. I’m a Democrat 80 years old I started my own company almost 50 years ago and am now retired, and it was forced, my company could no longer compete with the slave labor third world countries, I had to let go 80 people, some who had been with me for over 30 years, some were to old to get a job in the dwindling job market in our field. Our government owes them a dignified life because our government allowed our industrial base to be gobbled up by allowing products made by cheap labor to take their jobs, including mine. God forbid if my company was ever late on paying all the federal and state taxes, you can’t imagine the fines they could impose on your company, fortunately we were not late, but we paid hundreds of thousands into social security, by the way a democratic implementation, and without that retirement program, if you think there are to many lazy people who wont work now, this country who be in a depression that we wouldn’t get out of with out starting a war. There are always people who abuse anything and everything, but to punish people who really need the help because of the abusers is selfish and inconsiderate.

          • marlene.langert

            Marv, You bet perception is our reality. Fully agree.THere is no way welfare would be taken from those who really need it. THey will always receive it and deserve it. No Republican or Independent or Dimocrat would want that taken away. However, it has been my experience that a huge percentage of people on welfare are playing the system. With the loss of millions of jobs because of Obama, more and more needed help. You, yourself claim that many jobs were created. If so, those people should be off welfare. I have had quite a few tenants that faked their disabilities in order to take more and more. I have one now. One of her daughter’s was killed ten years ago and she fell apart. She was put on welfare for good reasons. SHe is still young and could work somewhat, but she still gets it all. No one checks. WE had one before that even had a credit card in her eight year olds name. She ran a “for cash” catering business out of the house. She had two teenage sons that did not work. WE got her out as soon as possible and then her creditors began calling me looking for her. THe tenant I have now is a very kind person, do not know if she is taking advantage or not. THe 35 yr old with the 2 teenagers not only worked the system, but was training her children to do the same. There are many stories, but I feel I have made my point. PLenty of welfare mothers spend their money on drugs and alcohol. I could site those cases also. THe HOC and welfare offices know all this all too well. They do not do anything to stop it.Obama has made it many times worse.
            I am not Christian either. I am Jewish with some of my children having become CHristian, which is fine with me. Welfare is feeding and disabling the young black men who sit on the steps and cuss and turn criminal with no parents to teach them right from wrong.I know that Obama has caused the unemployment of black youth to be around 45 percent. Many of them have decided school and learning is tooo white for them. What a shame when many have good brains and could make something of themselves. We must get people in office who will help smalll businesses create jobs and rake away these aObama rules and regulations so these businesses can afford to satay open and give these young people jobs and , hopefully, an education.Walmart is a fine example of a company who has given many poor people jobs, many thousands and sells products at prices poor people can afford. I was a democrat until Obama came ang. My parents and grandparents escaped from Russia and strugled here to make a living and they did. My dad and my grandfather carried blocks of ice up steps to tenements in the 1920s. THen my Dad opened a hand laundry, eventually a mom and pop grocery store that was open seven days a week from 6:00am to 11pm. THey struggled and made it without welfare. THat was the way things were done in those days. THe Asians have done that in more recent times. The Latinos also work hard at menial jobs. But I fear the new ones Obama is letting in illegally will tend to go on welfare.
            This is my perception based on facts from my own experiences. I could tell you many morestories, but I do not feel it is necessary..BTW, could you possibly be my husband’s cousin , Marv. He and that part of the family have always been communists. I hope you are not him. Nice guy, intelligent, but stupid. I do not think he ever owned his own business. And he would be up in his eigties, not just 80. You deserve credit for owning your own business. We did also. I thinkif you owned it now, you would no longer be a democrat.

          • marv

            Hi Marlene, you have made some good points, and I’ll respond from the top. There are and always will be people who take advantage of a caring system, no matter what you try and do to prevent it
            human s by there nature instinctively look out for themselves first, let me say that it isn’t just the poor
            who scam the system. Corruption in higher places of the banks, mortgage companies, the stock market, elected officials, and usually it’s not the small amount of money welfare recipients receive,
            but many times it’s in the millions and even billions of dollars, examples of men and institutions
            who you may of heard of such as A&G mortgage and Insurance, companies who send there capitoloverseas and run portions of there companies out of the country to avoid paying taxes. the oil companies who are subsidized every year by us tax payers in the billions of dollars, there is no shortage of white collar abuse, many we never hear about it, they rarely go to prison for their misdeeds, Mr Madoff who bilked hundreds maybe thousands of of investors out of billions of dollarswith a kiting scheme. insider traders who for their greed buy and sell stock and make huge profitswith knowledge that the general populous isn’t privy to, and in fact our congress member are privy to in advance where a stock is headed, it;s legal for them but it’s totally corrupt. Wal-Mart does not pay a living wage to it’s average worker, and the only way that Wal Mart can sell cheap is because they buy from guess who, apparently your biggest dread COMMUNIST China, did you know the the USA owes communist China a trillion and a half dollars that we borrowed from them, here you are worried about communism and Ronald Reagan opened the market of the USA, and with their slave labor not only put me out of business but thousands of industrialists like me. If company’s don’t pay a living wage then there will be NO dignity in life for the poor working class.Why is it that people always want to blame the people that can’t defend themselves?
            Since Obama has come into office the job market compared to the Bush years has increased
            employment by several million the when the Republicans were in office, the stock market is at its highest level in history, and if the Dems hadn’t bailed out the banks, mortgage co. General Motors
            Chrysler we would be in a depression worse then 1929. The Repubs have hindered his ability to
            govern by throwing in a mean spirited ice water on every possible program that he has initiated.
            In the Jewish tradition the four corners of the corn fields were left unharvested so that the poor
            could with out feeling guilty, take what they needed to eat. Don’t blame Obama for the in action,
            the Repubs are the ones who shut down the government regardless how it affected the population.

            Next: If I were to lock you in closet for 200 years and only fed you a meager diet, then let you out
            would you be able to adapt to world that you had no familiarity with, your family torn apart, separated form eating in any restaurant, drinking out of public fountains, having to go to black bathrooms only, having to stay in black only hotels or none at all.. The black community has changed dramatically and are producing outstanding people in all fields of endeavor. The civil right movement was the right thing to do, and as a Jew I am also very aware of what has happened to our people, from the pogroms of Russia, to the annihilation of our people all over Europe, and especially Germany, Yes Germany was Christian nation who while the Jews were being gassed
            in concentration camps pretended they didn’t know. My Mothers parent who had twelve children
            were smart enough to leave just two years before the Russian tyranny. and in this country we still have a lot of antisemitism, under the table, In the year of 1950, not to long ago, here in Seattle
            there were neighborhoods were restricted, no Jews, Blacks, or dogs.

            In the 1920’s when our parents came here, there was no welfare, families helped each other
            and the Jews in particular lived basically in ghettos. opportunities were much different the then they are now, then you could open business for almost no investment, not today, we can’t compare yesterday to day in any regards. the blacks were still in slavery even the words said they were emancipated, they were empty words.as the conditions for them might as well have been slavery.

            Could I guess that even though you are Jewish, you married a gentile, and that why your kids are Christian, the fact is that your kids may have become Christian but they are still Jewish because you are their mother. I have many religious discussions. I find for your children, how many?
            in this society being Christian was an is a more acceptable easier choice then being Jewish,
            and the fact that you say you don’t really care, means that it meant nothing to you as well, it’s Ok
            because many Jews to a day are secular, there are a few Jews who convert to Christianity, and many Christians who convert to Judaism. I find it very difficult to accept that Jesus a man is three in one God the father, the sun and the holy ghost, only a person with a childish mentality regarding the existence of God would believe the dogma of most religions including the orthodox Jews. Religion is a long topic and I have written in detail the if whys and wheres, it took many
            years of deep thought to come up with why people believe what they believe as there are 2400
            different religions in the word, and would you believe 45 thousand different Christian denominations.

            An to answer briefly your last question, after almost fifty years in business my concern for the well being of all humans wouldn’t allow my thinking to drift into a republican way of thinking which is every man for himself “Ronald Reagan” several people worked in my company for over 30 years
            and I treated them with dignity and always paid a living wage I was a servant owner. because as your employees go so goes the business, and to this day my wife and I still see many of them.

            Sincerely Marv

          • marlene.langert

            You are wrong. My husband was Jewish. My oldest son became Judeo/Chritian after his wife did. THe other two are Jewish. I am getting tired as I am almost, but not quite as old as you are. I will answer the rest tomorrow or another day. Don’t worry. I always have answers and opinions and perceptions!

          • marv

            was your sons wife Christian and was that a compromise? is it the Jews for Jesus they belong to?

          • marlene.langert

            No, it was a decision made together and I can understand why. A huge per centage of Jews do not believe in God. MY kids do. so do my grandchildren. And, esp so do I. It pains me how many people who were born Jews do not believe. And I do not mean all 613 laws. Many Jews believe that following the laws is what Judaism is about. Well, it isn’t. I is, like CHristianity, about deep belief in God. JUst following laws by rote doesn’t mean a thing. My boys were bar mitzvahed, but not inspired. I do not blame my son for seeking elsewhere and finding. No, they are not Jews for Jesus, They are Christians with a Jewish background and foundation. If you were open enough , perhaps you would know that Evangelistic Churches are extremely aware of their roots in Judaism. Actually, when they met and married, they were new age. I , too was attracted to New Age until I found Jewish Renewal, which I loved. However, that rabbi supports arabs over Israelis, so I had to leave. I found a new Jewish Renewal congregation now. THey are very warm, caring people. It is the only Jewish place I have found to be both Jewish and spiritual!

          • marv

            The Jews have always been a people who questioned life and it’s meaning, have been studios
            and purposeful, they have valued education and have been successful as a whole in almost every endeavor that mankind has to offer, all you have to do is look at Israel and their accomplishments. I have 30 relatives that live there, have been there 3 times and it’s been very enjoyable. Jews are advanced thinkers and that is why our faith came into existence to begin with, Jews are liberal by nature and humanists for good reason, we know what it feels like to be exploited because we are Jews. I’m on my third year of writing a book entitled Did God Create man or did man create God. I am writing this book not to change the views of anyone, but to give another perspective of religious beliefs and dogma. To take the bible as the word of a God through the ears of man in my view is childish and wishful thinking, and if I’m not mistaking, after the flood God would never interfere in mans life again. The Christian belief for one is that God knows the past, present, and future, they also believe that man has free choice, those two beliefs are anathema to each other, the belief that Jesus was born from a virgin mother and in the process became God the father, the son and the Holy ghost, means that if Jesus is god he then impregnated Mary with of course his unrestricted power was born by his own will, when God as he as the story goes Created Adam and Eve fully adults but wasn’t capable of his own self creation in the adult state. This is just a small interpretation of my thoughts on God and Religion. I believe if what you believe is the truth to you and you offer the same expression to others who believe differently, then you have the truth, that is the truth for you. When i said to you the other day that perception is reality, you agreed, but from your answer I don’t think you understood, that every ones perception is different and so their reality is also different.

            You also stated that my business smarts were less that capable, because somehow I didn’t see Obama in the same light as you, that is not a very objective view of reality. But never the less
            you are entitled to your thought’s and also verbalizing them, and I take them at face value.

            Sincerely Marv

          • marlene.langert

            Yes, we Jews do tend to have superior intellects. However, many Jews have gotten so into their heads, their brains, that they forgot about their hearts and their souls and , therefore, do not believe in GOD. I believe that is pitiful.It’s like a kid that the parents give unlimited money to and then the kid turns against the parents and everything they stand for. That is what secular people have done. BTW, Jews do believe that God gave us free will. ANd do not critsize CHristians for what they believe. You are mixed up. FIrst you say people have a right to believe what they want to believe. THen you tear their beliefs apart. State yur own beliefs in sharing and then allow others the same. And, stop putting words in my mouth that were never there. I do strongly feel it is time to say goodbye and never the twain shall meet.

          • marv

            You are an amazing person, of all people, of course all people have a right to their beliefs,
            Isn’t what you have done to me is do nothing but criticize what I believe. The Christians
            constantly denigrate what Jews believe and not accepting Jesus as your savior will keep
            you and all Jews from Heaven. Jew’s that I have lived with all my life have bigger hearts then
            most. The fact that Jewish intellect even prior to biblical times were searching for meaning,came to the conclusion of one God indivisible would seem to me that more advanced intellect would
            allow after what the Jews have been through to move past a loving creator. Fundamental
            religious beliefs are stuck in time, and now it’s time as they did in those days, create something
            that is more meaningful to the human condition. Your answers can be very condescending.
            Did your son turn against everything you believe? There is no such thing as Jewish Christians.
            it’s fence sitting like a agnostic.

          • marlene.langert

            thank you for believing that I am an amazing person. That is quite a complement.I have not crtisized your beliefs, I just disagree. We all have that right. No, my son still believes in Jewish beliefs with Jesus added. Remember Jesus, he started life as Emanual and was still a Jew when he died. THerefore, at the time he was teaching, he was still Jewish. To me, belief in God is way above intellectual pursuit, although I did graduate from the University of Maryland, was asked to go to graduate school because my IQ measured in the top 2% in the nation. I still taken classes at the age of 70. Just signed up for a new semester. Still, my belief in GOD is above that. He did NOT leave us at one point. He is always with us. My life has been multiblessed by Him the entire years I have been blessed with so far. Do not tell me there is no such thing as Jewish Chritians. You remind me of a woman I met t a party once. SHe worked for the same large corporation for which my daughter works. This woman worked in a different location. When I told her where my daughter worked she told me that the corporation had no office there. Well, I had been to my daughter’s office more than a dozen times, gone to their parties and picnics, etc. That is the incident of which your comment reminds me. Could we stop talking now.?

          • marv

            Of course we can, I would rather be happy then right. You have the last word and that
            should give you peace of mind. There is no such thing as Jewish Christians. The beliefs are at
            at opposite ends, Christianity is like Islam it wants to proselyte and convert all non believers of their
            respective faiths. You would rather be right then happy, so with that, you can be right.

          • marlene.langert

            Guess what! I am a very happy person naturally and I am right in this case. Evangelistic Christians realize their roots in Judaism. We all believe in the same God, just not the Jesus was God part. So these Christians are open to the roots connection, but you are not. I feel sorry for you- closed mind, no belief in God. I could not live like that. You can. Too bad.

          • marlene.langert

            In what year did you close your business?

          • marv

            2000

          • marv

            I’m sorry I hit the 0 instead of the 9 2009

          • marlene.langert

            So you closed your business in the Obama era! Why am I not surprised? Lke Obama, you satill blame it on Bush! Of course, it was about time for you to retire anyway, so it worked out for you. Didn’t any of your kids want to take it over?

          • marv

            Your assumption is misguided, the beginning of the end started started when both Nixon one of your heroes and Reagan both decided to open the gates of hell for the American industrial base to start collapsing 1980 in twenty years time, by 1999 it had put such a dent in manufacturing, because of the
            multitude of goods coming from slave labor China made it impossible to compete, when we were paying 10 dollars an hour in the early 90’s China paid less then that for a days work. I believed in America and our system, but the rich and powerful corporations like Wal-Mart who stock their stores
            with cheap goods so that they could make outrageous profits forced this on our country, but as trusting as I am I lulled myself to sleep thinking that all Americans would shrug it off and buy
            American goods, but in reality I forgot that the human condition is about greed and that people in this country when they think they can get something for nothing will literally walk over you to get the bargain first. Have you ever noticed that everything is always on sale. it’s the only excuse that women can justify to their husband why they bought what ever. At the end the company was losing an average of 15 thousand a month, I continued to put additional funds into the business but it was futile. One of my sons did come into the business and the Idea to begin with was to turn it over to him, but it got so bad that saddling him with the problems wouldn’t be something I would do him or anyone else for that matter. Obama had nothing to do with the demise of my company, I did
            because I couldn’t read the hand writing on the wall. so I closed it, sold off two of the parts that were successful to individual who made those parts into a very small one man operations. As it turned out and you are right bout this, I was worn out and ready to retire. Financially I am fine
            and am enjoying life with my wife of 57 years, and our new 9 month old great grand daughter.
            I’m the happiest I’ve been since i was 18 yo and had a shot at playing pro baseball with the then
            AAA Seattle Raineers, I was a catcher, and at 32 believe it or not a fast pitch softball team needed a catcher, they talked me into playing and I played for 20 years, my knees started to go bad and
            it was time to change to golf. I have a great close family, a younger brother who was president of Starbucks, and my older sister and her husband had 4 Drexel-Heritage stores, they did quite well and are retired. Our kids are all doing well and we have a very close relationship with them. My youngest daughter Lisa and I are going on a cruise to Alaska in April and am greatly looking forward to a one on one time with her, she is 50 yo. and a very loving woman.

            marv

          • marlene.langert

            Don’t know about you, but our business flourished right after Reagan got into office. It stayed that way until Clinton came in. Adieu!

          • marv

            I did well on realistate investment in those years as well, but running a production
            factory and compete with cheap labor is a far cry from what you call a business.

          • marlene.langert

            “Real Estate” is how it is spelled. I have had rental properties since I was 22 as my dad had them and taught my husband and me how to succeed in that business. I still own rental properties and one of my sons helps me. So, you had a factory that manufactured clothes. We had a construction company that built (manufactured) office buildings. We did extremely well under the Reagan administration. Hope you did too! Goodbye!

          • marv

            My dad didn’t help me he passed before i got started, I had zero dollars when started,
            Big difference, you have been blessed by having wealty dad, I see here your conservative views come from.

          • marlene.langert

            I did not have a weathy dad. He worked so hard and when the riots came in 1968 his properties in Washington DC became worthless. My Dad did not give us money. He helped us get a loan of $1000 from a bank so we could put that down on our first property. We were on our own after that except that he gave us pointers and advice on how to handle these propeties.. When we got married we had $217 to our name and we spent that on our honeymoon in the Pocanos. Six months after we were married my husband had to go into active service in the army. We made it anyway. My Dad was a democrat his entire life and loved Roosevelt whom he thought was good to the Jews. Little did he know. He grew up in a shetl in the Ukraine and came to the USA at 17. Only Hebrew school in the shetl for an education. What he did know was how to love his family so that we realized it. Wow, did he have to work hard. We were never rich except in love and family, but he kept us fed, clothed and a roof over our heads. Took him many years to work up to owning buildings and then the riots happened. He was still a happy person who sang, danced and loved us. He still managed to get me and my sister college educated. Stop making up stories about me. Period.

          • marlene.langert

            I hope you realize that Obama is a one world government promoter. If has keeps wreeking his havoc for the next two years, all small businesses will be forced out. 80 empolyees is not such a small business and you did it yourself. I will bet your or your parents were never on welfare. My husband died twenty years ago , so that was the end of our construction business. However, I did the payroll and all the paperwork so I know about paying the business taxes. I hear it is even worse now because of Obama’s rules and regulations. Big corporations have accountants and attorneys working for them. Small businesses cannot afford that so they go out. This is the second part of my response, so read theone below first.)

          • marv

            I don’t for a second believe that is his agenda at all. and Marlene small business has struggled under every president, When Reagan was in office, interest rates to borrow from the bank was
            over 20% plus prime, the country now is in better shape since Clinton was president. It doesn’t mean we can’t do better. but thanks to China and slave labor our economy is healthy.

          • marlene.langert

            Marv, How can you have been together enough to have such a business and now not realize who and what Obama is? It just doesn’t make any sense. Jimmy Carter was the last worst president. It was under Carter that interest rates went up to high. WHen Reagan came along, our economy florished, interest rates went way down and small businesses made money and gave people jobs. I think old age has effected your memory. Just look it up.Clinton made it worse, but not terrible. In no way is our economy healthy under Obama. On what planet are you living?

          • marv

            Marlene, If you will look on the internet under what were interest rates under Reagan, there is
            an article that should clear your mind, the prime rate in 1982 was 21.5 % under Reagan and what
            that president did to destroy the economy and ton of businesses in the process. so to borrow
            in was prime plus 1 or 2 for big business and for small up to 5.

          • marv

            It is way better then under Bush and the unemployment rate is around 6% pretty much the norm
            all the time. Are you kidding? under Clinton they were the best years this country had seen in years,
            he reduced the deficit and the economy was great. that’s why he was reelected, when Obama became president Bush had us in two economically devastating wars that put us trillions in debt.
            and he lied to us about Iraq and the invisible weapons of mass destruction. Obama became president
            because of the mess Bush had made, the economy was sucking for air and that’s what he inherited.
            If you will read the long letter I sent you, I try to explain what has happened and why. Marlene you are seeing what you want to see avoiding what was real and has happened. I have never left this planet except when when I fly and I have been here longer then you so I know a hell of a lot more
            Just kidding lol.

          • Jay

            Gosh, how can anyone have a good old discussion with Marv when he spurts out falsehoods, demonstrates a total lack of the FACTS and is terribly political.
            First of all: Check the unemployment rate chart at:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/business/us-unemployment-rate-history/ It was low under Bush
            Second: Clinton had good years because the Repubs. won congress in 1994 and worked with Clinton to pass legislation benefitting the nation.
            Third: The two wars, approved by 70% of the Congress cost nearly $1 TRILLION over 10 years., while Obama gave us Deficits over $1 TRILLION/yr. for the first 4-5 years.
            Fourth; Bush did not lie. The U.N. had implemente 12 Resolutions for Hussein to get rid of his WMDs. Every world intel agency reported Hussein had WMDs. so, where and when did Bush lie?
            Fifth: The financial meltdown started under Carter with his CRA act to make it easy for unqualified borrowers to get loans. It was expanded under Clinton. Bush faced a Demo controlled congress in 2006 where Frank and Dodds prevented anything to reign in runaway mortgage liabilities.
            Sixth: Reagan inherited the Carter years and the Misery Index. Interest rate was 18% and inflation rate was 12%. So why are you saying Reagan gave us all this?
            OK, All for now. Marv, check your facts and discuss based on FACTS not political ideology. AND, Obama has given us the worst presidency in our history. Our enemies do not fear us. Our friends do not trust us. We have more polarization than ever – racial, class, gender, religions. Obama has lulled us into not recognizing the threat to our existence from radical Islam. Plus Plus Plus

          • marv

            Thanks for you condescending words Jay, apparently you didn’t read the notes above
            the Washington post employment figures, under Reagan/Bush in 1980 they were 10%, it took
            ten years by those charts to come down to the 5 and 6% range. and in the meantime under Reagan
            the prime rate went to 21.5% and that stopped the economy in it’s tracks causing recession. The success of this country is based on smoke and mirrors, with people purchasing, houses, cars, and heavy credit card debt, credit is the same as printing money, stop issuing credit, and government infusion of capitol into the economy, and you might as well shut off the lights, debt runs this country’s economic success. Your idea of facts is based on what someone else presents to you, many time those so called fact are unreliable, and are used to enhance ones position. It seams that who ever becomes president at any given time always has the cushion of the mess the previous president left, that’s why the white house changes occupants, people want perfection from leaders, but yet they are imperfect themselves, how does that work. Calling me a communist or a socialist, and that I hate Our country is inflammatory and shows your lack of human understanding. Being and American means that questioning and descent is part of the freedom of being American, but the way you perceive it is that everyone isn’t a right wing participant, you label them, to you all Democrats are communist. If science stayed in the hole that conservatives prefer and fundamental religionists adhere to, all the advances we have and are enjoying would not exist. I don’t feel polarized polarization come from fear of change. The world is run by human beings who are fallible, so your expectations are unreal, 6 billion people are not going to agree on what is the correct way to live,either politically, religiously, or economically, and to do that it takes compromise, which in the case of mankind and his selfish listening isn’t part of the equation. for this world to survive, tolerance and compromise must prevail, jay if this conversation is to continue stop the labeling to try and get your point across. Thanks in advance

          • Jay campbell

            Marv: Take another look at the chart. The Bush shown with Reagan with a high unemployment rate is Bush SENIOR, not Bush Junior when the rate was much lower. Also, stop blaming Reagan for the high unemployment rate when, yes, it was high, BUT Reagan succeeded Carter, responsible for the Misery Index which stopped the economy in its tracks.

            No, I am not calling you a communist. Not all democrats are communists, but many are socialists. Other than your running commentary about these real bad conservatives, you did not respond to the five (5) points I tried to get across.

            Why do you say that conservatives prefer that science stay in a hole and that all the advances we have and enjoy would not exist??? I do not understand. In order to advance in science, the nation needs the financial means to do so. The Financial means is derived from those who pay taxes, not those who pay no taxes. Weaken this source of funding and you weaken our means of progress. Conservatives understand this. Also, we have a $18 TRILLION National debt and a $100 TRILLION UNFUNDED government obligations (like pensions). conservatives are worried how these debts are to be met. For with NO money, EVERYONE suffers.

            You mention compromise, well, do you think obama has ever compromised on anything? for example, I think the number is close to 70% of Americans are opposed to Obamacare and to his plan for illegal immigrants. where has he compromised?

            My points are many and I sure with we could discuss them. Go back to the 5 I listed previously. do you agree or disagree with the point I am making?

          • marv

            Jay: Jimmy carter wasn’t a great president but I believe he was honest, too honest for his own

            political good. He allowed his religious beliefs to intermingle with the countries well being, and more

            then Obama, he pretty much sided with the Arab cause.

            Has there ever been a newly elected president who has said before and after being elected

            that I inherited a country and that every thing is great? No way, other wise there would be no

            platform to run and would not have gotten elected in the first place. there always will be 50% of the voting public that will be unhappy, Republicans and Democrats in the middle of the road used to work together, and accomplished some good legislation, but now the fringes of the two political party’s like the Nazis were in Germany, a prime example is a guy like David Duke who appeals to lowest denominator of the human physic, they hate everyone, but hate first starts with hating yourself, and because so many hateful human beings accept that premise, it’s much easier to blame everything that’s wrong in the world on others then to to accept their own shortcomings.

            If spending were an election the Republicans would win 47.7% to 44.7 3% points difference

            a lot.

            Tell me that Republicans don’t believe in global warming. they also don’t believe in abortion, and I don’t either except for mitigating circumstances, but the all time biggest abortionist is none other then guess who, that’s right GOD, only a couple hundred years ago or less thousands of baby’s died just prior to birth, at birth, or shortly there after, today four million baby’s die every year from

            a myriad of delivery problems and many mothers have died it that process. They stymie the fantastic American medical community from the process of creating body organs genetically.

            The conservative movement is so wrapped up in religious dogma, they can’t see the forest through

            the trees, They want prayer in the schools as long as it’s christian prayers, we are too diverse a country to go with that type of lineal thinking. they are not concerned with the environment if there is money to be made with out concern for future generations, they are living only for them selves.

            The banks are a business and through there greed, along with wall street many corrupt large corporations, and the news today about a Romney aid is going to prison for corrupt practices,
            and who knows how many get away with under the table crime, it includes Democrats as well.
            The banks such as Bank of America packaged bad loan portfolios and sold them to unsuspecting
            investors, There mortgage loan practices were dishonest and millions of home owners lost
            there retirement because of it.

            The trillions of U.S debt is a misnomer, the debt we owe to countries whom we borrowed from

            and the bond holders around the world must be paid, but the vast majority we have borrowed
            from ourselves, to support wars, holding the banking,automobile industry’s. federal programs. and what ever, is money printed and put into circulation and it dilutes very fast as the population grows
            Because it is no longer tied to precious metals which in reality have no redeeming value other then
            what man places on it, it doesn’t inflate the economy, it’s just printed paper so people have away
            of exchanging good and services, and just think, the more money in circulation the richer the rich can become, that should fit right in with free market conservative thinking.

            Governor Romey,when he headed up Massachusetts, implemented the program that Obama care
            was patterned after, and now it is working quite well. mow there is an alternative for you Jay,
            If you are old enough for social security, medicare, or Obama care I might suggest that you don’t
            accept any of these programs and just foot the bill on your own, though my advice in that case
            is don’t get sick, or have any unforeseen tragedy. But if any of those negative things take place don’t come to me for help. because you conservatives believe that every one is capable of getting paid enough and saving enough to pay for any misfortune and no one should expect help, maybe we should just let those people, what’s one more life more or less. I also notice that politicians
            have the best medical care you can get and it cost them nothing, and when they are shuttled ouf office even after two years they get a life time retirement, plus social security, and most obtain
            high paying corporate jobs if they want them. Ronald Reagan started the down fall of unions, and even though I was a business owner, I recognized that with out the people who worked for my company, nothing would get produced, and then I would not make a living either. so I paid better
            then union wages, but the company’s that that abuse there workers by not paying a livable wage,
            means that the worker has a right to form a group that says, you know the bottom line of this company is great and without us it would be nothing, it’s time for you to be fair. In Germany
            today, the employees have tremendous input as to how the company should be run, and Germany
            is one of the most economical successes in the world today. The world is not about the success of one person, it’s about the success of all humans to live a life with dignity. hope i gave you some answers to your thoughts that meet with your approval, but if not I’d rather be happy then right

          • marlene.langert

            Marv, the present unemployment rate is between 11% and 14%. Obama does not include people who have given up looking for work, people who are too proud to accept unemployment, youngsters coming out of college who cannot get work in their fields and have to take lower wage jobs if they can get that, people in business like you were who have to close and fire their employees because they are closing, people who are in business and are not making a living or are losing money, etc. All he includes are the figures of those who apply for unemployment. WHen that expires, they are off his count. He is deceiving everyone who is not familiar with his disgraceful shenanigans.

          • Jay

            Marv: do know you lose any credibility when you ignore responses to your charges that totally refute what you say? In particular, you made some scurrilous charges against Bush W., charges which have no basis in fact. Yet, you ignore what I said. Shame on you. You also ignored that you used the chart I sent you showing that it was Bush SENIOR when the unemployment rate was high, not Bush Junior. You also avoided understanding that the interest rate and the unemployment under Bush Senior was high, and that it was not Bush W. In fact, it was high because of Carter and it took a few years to bring it down. But can it true that because you are fundamentally a democrat that you find no fault with any demo but seek to always blame a Republican? I do wonder. Why do you ignore the Misery Index under Carter and that under Bush W, the unemployment hovered around 5%.?
            Know what, may friend. I think you have an inner hatred for Bush W. for whatever reason, I think it is because, as many demos do, because he won the 2000 election and you all think he stole it. I say this because, and I challenge you once again, to show where he did anything detrimental to this nation, where he lied and where he had scandals the likes of which Obama has had.
            Listen to what Marlene is saying. she has a better handle on what is wrong with this nation under obama than you, sorry to say. You are too politically ideologically entrenched to see the daylight. Try by first answering the questions I posed earlier and we can take it from there.
            And try to understand why so many of us and growing, realize that the Disaster in the White House is the worst president this nation has ever had and what is worse, is that we are facing a greater threat than Nazism or communism, for this Islamic ideology is theologically based and this Disaster simply prefers, for whatever reason, to avoid recognizing the danger to all of us.

          • Jay

            Marv, I really don’t know why I bother with you, but it is fun to re-inforce my conviction that when people are blind, nothing can change their perspective of life. You continue to be hung up on Bush W. You refuse to discuss 5 points I raised before, including tell everybody the big secret that only you know – that Bush lied about Iraq or whatever you keep alluding to, that Bush lied. You NEVER responded with proof that he lied even after I carefully explained to you the sequence of events that led up to taking military action. But of course, you hatred of Bush prevents you from even acknowledging that you are wrong.
            You fail to understand that after 9/11 and 3,000 people killed, the government had to spend billions if not trillions to beef up our security. You do not know that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost some $1 TRILLION for the 10 yr. period of time, but your hero obama has increased our national debt by some $6 TRILLION in his first 5 years, our true unemployment rate is above 15%, the threat of Islam fanaticism is greater than it was at the time obama took over, polarization is horrible, obama has very little respect throughout the world which spells trouble, obamacare will destroy our medical system let alone our financial system, we are being flooded with illegal immigrants in the face of still another obama lie that the borders are secure. WHEW, am out of breath, but there is so so much more.

          • marv

            Here’s an Idea that is usually espoused by the conservative politics of our great country,
            you can leave and move to another country until a Republican is elected president
            and the whole government is Republican, and then things will be just like you want them
            to be, and if things go well, I will be the first to support it. At least if they don’t, there
            will be only one view charged with the countries actions. Islams dialog has been a
            problem for century’s, it’s not something new. And of course what just happened in Paris
            is Obama’s fault right? Get some oxygen Jay, get on the tread mill, get some exercise, take a long
            walk, it will get blood to your brain, which will help you thought process, Let me know
            when you buy your plane ticket out of the country, we will throw a blog party. lol

          • Jay

            Marlene:

            This Marv friend of yours is simply either stupid or too stubborn to understand what is going on. Like they say, the Truth can be hard to accept when one bases his/her existence on something that is not true. How the hell he can insist that the high interest rate of 20% was the fault of Reagan and not Carter, is beyond comprehension. Several times I tried to explain the Misery INdex under Carter and obviously, he either does not want to believe or his narrow mindedness prevents the truth from seeping in.
            Good luck. This is why this nation is in such deep poopy trouble – because of people out there like your friend Marv. Lets pray that people wake up for if they don’t, this nation is FINISHED FINISHED FINISHED.

          • marv

            I feel sorry for you Jay, resorting to calling people stupid or to stubborn to understand, there are way more people in our country that agree with me then with you, but i don’t call you or Marlene stupid. the fact is that the highest rate of interest under Carter was 18% and under Reagan who suffocated the economy by making the prime rate 21.5% , Jay do you know what the prime is? it’s the rate money is lent to the most credit worthy borrowers. Reagans economy was a false injection of trillions of dollars that created the highest debt our country had ever known, In Reagan own words he claimed that the national debt was meaningless and that’s the only thing I ever agreed with what he said. I stated to you Jay that I believed that Carter was a less then desirable president, that he botched a lot of things but I believe his intentions were and that he was an honest man. My opinions are how I see things, and I have expressed them to you with dignity, not name calling as you and Marlene have done, people who resort to name calling, do so because down deep they are unsure of their stance. Name calling seems to be a conservative trait such as the Republican congressman while Obama was speaking called him a liar, people who do that in a public forum, insulting our president, who graciously passed by that ugly comment was the only truth teller. You and Marlene make incendiary comments off handily with malice. There are a lot smarter people then you Marlene and me, who are very wealthy, since you base intelligence on wealth, that underwrite my thoughts as wise such as the top dog at Starbucks, Microsoft, and many other CEOs. so with that I am moving on, and you will feel safe communicatingwith Marlene, you will then have your own mutual admiration society along with Fox “News”

      • calhar

        As a independent senior i have seen both,and there is no difference. Corruption comes in all political party’s.I vote for the character of the man.If wrong the first time I don’t make the same mistake the second time

    • BlueViolets

      He is beholding to the stockholders who expressed confidence in the company by investing. Charity isn’t charity unless it comes from your own pocket and those who said he should have been given it to charity most likely give nothing or the bare minimum. He does, as you stated, deserve kudos for what he has done.

      • Christopher Allen

        All he is giving to is the company, idiot; making him only look better in their eyes! Companies are supposed to be for their customers; well at least, that is how it used to be!
        Now it’s not, how may i help you when you go into their stores, but, how much more are you going to spend in my store, so i can pay these greedy MF’s more, and more!
        It’s all about the “investors” now, and not the customers, or service, or product!

        • BlueViolets

          Everything you posted after the word idiot was not read. When one must try to demean, embarrass, belittle and call one names then their argument is deemed unprovable.

  • sherri palmer

    An outstanding man…

  • Marilyn Voorhies

    I salute this upstanding American; we need more just like him; where are they hiding??

    • Carol

      Certainly not in Washington D.C.!

  • Thomas A Carnagie

    Wow a ceo with honor.

  • Larry

    Sears executives need to follow

    • grinnie

      If Sears execs followed maybe they wouldn’t be closing so many stores.

  • StraghtGate

    I didn’t need my “humanity restored” and generally have no problem with CEOs of huge companies receiving bonuses

  • Jack Strohbach

    We could use a person with character in the White House. No matter how much further in debt we get as a country, this pile of manure insists on going on his $20 million vacations.

    • gloriay

      Jack, did not hear you complain when the pile of manure George Bush who went on more vacations as President than any other President in America’s history. Did you complain then? Of course not.

      • ernaldin

        Stop being so phukin stupid…..

        • grinnie

          And ignorant. Don’t waste your time ernaldin…hopeless is hopeless and ernaldin fits the bill.

      • RetiredTpr

        He went to Texas! Also over Christmas, he went to Camp David so his Secret Service detail could be home with their families. This is nothing that the moochers we have in the Whitehouse would ever consider. We have plenty to complain about with this guy or do you still have your head in the sand?

        • Why do you feel the need to lie? Is that all you Rethuglicans ever do is lie?

          • defiant1

            Nice try Robert………

          • rightsmite

            Your probably another one of Obamas paid liars and agitators who hang out on conservitive sites to spread your propagandist lies and create dissention and arguments which is what the DemonRat party is all about. Your divide and conquer strategy is not only getting old but some of your own ilk have wised up. Too bad you haven’t.

          • Thank you for the compliment, I do welcome all compliments from teabaggers like you 🙂

          • dmbunce

            more boring useless rhetoric

          • Christopher Allen

            Again, just ignore this POS, all he/she is doing is “trolling”!

          • I do love upsetting you American hating teabaggers 🙂

          • Christopher Allen

            No “right” he trolls every site spreading his ignorance! Just ignore the POS, maybe he/she will go away! But it does take a long time for crap to dissolve!

          • lol, you do such a great job of ignoring me you coward. Thank you for the amusement 🙂

          • Jack Strohbach

            Robert, you ignorant idiot. Where are the lies? Am I the one who said you could keep your health plan, you moron? Am I the one who said you will save $2,500 per year, you liberal piece of garbage? Going to sleep. Hope you and your leader both choke on his lies!

          • You do have the right to remain ignorant, and I will defend your right to remain ignorant. 🙂

          • Christopher Allen

            And, you have the right to “die”, and i will defend your right to do so! Troll! Is their a forum that you don’t spout your crap on? Probably not because, apparently, your “mom” didn’t give you enough attention, so now you feel you have to post your ignorance everywhere! Troll!

          • Thank you again for the compliment, anytime one of you American hating loons blows a gasket I know I have accomplished something 🙂

          • Jack Strohbach

            Kaufman, you filthy piece of crap. You would need to spend next twenty years in a real school before your IQ gets half way to my level. You keep pissing me off and I will track you down and explain to you in person what the penalty for smearing person’s character is. Unlike you, you dirt bag, I have a reputation I will protect and I will not stand idly, you degenerate dirtbag, while you groundlessly accuse me of lying. I gave you two chances to document your statements. This is your final chance to either show an example where I am lying or stating something that is not true or shut up and go away. And yes, I am sure I took dumps that had higher IQ than you and I am very curious why your mother did not make that choice! I also would like to ask her how many times she dropped you on your head and how many of those were intentional.

          • Wow, what a shock, not only are you an American hating loon, you are also a lying sack of crap. I do love when one of you cowards attempts to threaten on the internet. Do you feel tough when you make pathetic threats to people who call out your stupidity? Thank you for amusing me 🙂

          • Jack Strohbach

            Bobbie, you memtal midget with an Internet! You could have provided one fact, but you chose to get into a pissing context. And you brought a butter knife to gun fight! I feel like I have given you enough chances to,explain yourself, but you are either incapable or feel to superior to need to and prefer to spew garbage and false accusations. I am done with this media. You probably won’t hear from me for a while because I only get to the left coast once in a blue moon, but I know you will! Have a good life with your minimalistic IQ and your gigantic hate for american values and way of life.

          • I am sorry you are so very unAmerican that you feel the need to proclaim just how ignorant you are. I do love getting pathetic threats from hatemongers like you though, they amuse me 🙂

          • Jack Strohbach

            This is too funny, the only “up” your post received was given by, wait for it, some idiot named kaufman, that’s you! I feel your pain! But on every post?

          • And why is it a concern of yours? All I am doing is what disqus allows me to do, but I am amused when any of you loons think you have discovered something important when you mention. Do you also know that disqus allows you to upvote comments without being logged in? Anyone who thinks upvotes mean anything is truly pathetic, but we already knew you were pathetic with your lame threats. Not to mention how many times you have been proven to be a lying sack of crap 🙂

          • mac12sam12

            Another thumbs up for yourself? Kind of pathetic.

          • mac12sam12

            Jack’s correct, you gave yourself a thumbs up. At least someone agrees with you!

          • I have never denied that I upvote my comments, so what is your point?

          • James Johnson

            I am greatly ashamed of you. JACK

          • Christopher Allen

            and to you Jack, just ignore this POS, he is on most every post/forum, and does nothing more that show how ignorant that he is! Again, just ignore his/her sorry self!

          • Thank you again for the compliment, I do welcome them 🙂

          • Bob666

            You seem to have equally strong opinions Mr. Allen and where I sit, i see no difference between the two of you.

          • James Johnson

            Dividing the country with hate. Fox News and other such entities that seek to have us fight amongst ourselves and divide us are our enemies. Jack you are just doing their bidding as an enemy of the united states of America. If you are helping by hating your fellow countrymen can you call yourself a patriot? The terrorists failed to divide us Fox News is doing a good job of it. Are you a Fox News watcher tool? Wake up! America is great and can be even greater if only we work together and support each other.

          • Christopher Allen

            And, all you do is “troll” to every site, and lie!

          • Thank you for the compliment, you do have the right to be as wrong as you wish to be 🙂

          • mac12sam12

            Who received the liar of the year award?

          • Another moronic comment, congrats 🙂

        • Christopher Allen

          Dude, you hit it right on the “head”!
          Vacations to Texas or Camp David, cost so much less than those to Hawaii, where he claims to be born!
          But obama, want’s to be “glorified” everywhere he goes, and it costs more and more! He is going to “drain” OUR Country for the next 2 years, just as he has for the past years, probably more!

          • James Johnson

            Like every president before him, except he’s black. (Well now that just burns my hide. I said it before preemptive crime fighting is the way to go. Kill all the blacks before they commit a crime and you will see this country git better.) sarcasm

      • defiant1

        Cost gloriay, cost! Do the comparisons………….nice try though!

      • Jack Strohbach

        I had no problem with W going on vacations because he actually worked. When your community organizer start putting in more than an hour and a half work days and does anything to improve the lives of working poor and the middle class in THIS country, I will no longer feel that his vacations are overpriced. And no, these $20 million numbers are not overblown. You can check yourself if you just refrain attacking the messenger. Since you object to my comment, I assume you are a worthless piece of crap liberal yourself so we are basically done.

        • Keep those lies coming Jack, I am sure the Koch Brothers will pay you well to peddle their lies 🙂

          • Jack Strohbach

            Which part is a lie, you unintended victim of poorly performed procedure?

          • Your $20 million figure is a lie, your lies about him not improving the lives of the middle class is a lie, claiming ‘liberals are worthless pieces of crap’ is a lie, but if you worship the Koch Brothers you are used to being misinformed. But you do have the right to revel in your ignorance

          • dmbunce

            You sure are boring.

          • Christopher Allen

            No, he is just an idiot, that trolls every subject and tries to “pervert” everything on it! Just ignore the POS, he/she will eventually go away! Hopefully!

          • Nope, I do enjoy pissing off you American hating loons too much to leave 🙂

          • mac12sam12

            You don’t piss us off, you are amusing. You got a thumbs up, I wonder who gave it to you?

          • I am so very sorry I pissed you off, maybe you can go cry to your mommy 🙂

        • Christopher Allen

          Jack, actually it cost much more than that! You have to account for the “advance teams”, communications equipment, etc, that has to go ahead of the President! He is aware of the costs, but doesn’t care!

        • James Johnson

          Hey I find your stance insulting. Jack. Your hatred oozes from your comments. Why the hate? Are you crazy? Fear and worry is what “they” want you to do. It is how they control you. Don’t be a tool! The economy is getting better all over the USA and companies are finally hiring albeit slowly, but still in the right direction. Your negativity needs to move over for progress. If you cannot handle it than put your dinosaur like attitude to rest. We are Americans and we NEVER let a little economic downturn make us stumble we get up and help each other to our feet and we stand taller than ever before and become even greater. If you don’t want to be even better than before than get your ass out of the way! Everyone of you republicans are a negative bunch of pussy complainers!

      • Denise

        Not to mention all the golf Bush played while unemployment was at a high.

      • Jay

        Do you really want to compare the costs of trips by obama vs. Bush?

    • Sorry Jack, but why do you think lying out your ass means anything? did you pull that $20 million figure from your own ass? Or did you pull it from Lush Limpball’s ass?

      • Robert Bolino

        I’m siting here and laughing at you Robert. You are as dumb as a stump! And we all know you are a delusional DermocRAT with a broken heart!

        • Thank you for the compliment Mr Bolino, I do welcome all compliments from ignorant teabaggers like you 🙂

          • tjh39

            It is apparent that you are to dumb to know the facts about how much was spent. Obama went on one trip that costs the taxpayers more than any of our past presidents did in their entire time in office.

          • You really should stop pulling your misinformation from Lush Limnpball’s ass

          • mac12sam12

            Why are liberals anal obsessives?

          • Wrong again, keep up the good work 🙂

          • defiant1

            Again, Robert, watch your foul mouth and bad manners…..it is not welcome. If you want to comment, please be a gentleman.

          • Thank you again for the compliment, I do welcome all compliments from teabaggers like you 🙂

          • conservative since 1962

            I doubt that R.K. knows how to be a gentleman!

          • Thank you for the compliment, it is appreciated 🙂

          • Christopher Allen

            What do you expect from a “12” year old, troll?
            Just ignore him! He is nothing but trash!

          • Thank you again for the compliment, it is appreciated 🙂

          • mac12sam12

            At least you agrees with you. You seem lonely and sad 8-(

          • Keep that string of wrongness going 🙂 You are mastering it 🙂

        • mac12sam12

          He gets one thumbs up for every comment. Check out who it is.

      • defiant1

        you sound just like a foul-mouthed liberal Robert…..give it a rest….

        • Thank you for the compliment, I do welcome all compliments from teabaggers like you 🙂

          • madmemere

            Sounds like “tea bagger” is the only word you know; is your knowledge and vocabulary really that limited, or didn’t you make it past third grade?

          • Why are you so proud to be a teabagger?

          • madmemere

            Rather why are you so proud to be ignorant and anti-American?

          • Projecting your foibles on others again? Teabaggers are about as American hating as you can be

          • madmemere

            Truly, you are a “disturbed” individual; you might want to seek professional help for your dilemma!

          • Thank you for the compliment, I do welcome all compliments from American hating teabaggers like yourself 🙂

          • marlene.langert

            I have noticed more and more of these mentally deficient libs on the conservative sites. Must be a new idea Obama has of paying dunces. Otherwise, why would Robert keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I figure it is because he had no more vocabulary than that. And yes, what this CEO did is extremely admirable.

          • madmemere

            Marlene- You noticed the “repetitive” responses, too; it’s quite possible this individual has a “robot/resonse” mechanism on his computer. I can’t remember exactly what the device is called, it just keeps sending out whatever response the individual has programmed it to do, whenever a contact is made.

          • Christopher Allen

            No, he is just an instigating idiot that didn’t get any attention from his mother, or, what friends he tried to make!
            Ignore him!

          • Wrong again, at least some things are consistent 🙂

          • Thank you for the compliment, I do welcome all compliments from American hating loons like yourself 🙂

          • mac12sam12

            All you do is ridicule and call names, so sad.

          • Wrong again, are you always wrong? Or only on days ending in y?

          • Pendy1

            Really? In what way?

          • In every way 🙂

          • Pendy1

            Cute. Name some.

          • Too lazy to do your own research?

          • mac12sam12

            Teabagging is a homosexual activity. Are you trying to tell us something? You gave yourself another thumbs up!!

          • Wrong again, why are you so proud to always be wrong?

          • Christopher Allen

            Again, everybody, stop “feeding” him what he want’s, attention; because the doctor slapped his mother, instead of his butt! He is just a troll!

          • Awwwwww, the poor teabagger is losing his temper 🙂

      • Jack Strohbach

        Robert, you are a moron and YOU should check the facts. See my response to Glorlay for the rest of the insults, brainless lib! And one more thing, your mother should have made that choice, or in the very least, pulled you out of her arse. As a Jew, I have so much trouble with all liberal Jews lock-stepping with the guys who only 50 years ago could not decide who to lynch first, a Jew or a negro.

        • Thank you for the compliment and showing just how much of a hatemonger you are. I do pity you 🙂

    • Denise

      Are you his financial man than don’t throw out bogus numbers you know nothing of.

      • Jack Strohbach

        Denise, I mean Stupid, 10 hour flight to HI at $225K/hr each way, times two. You are at 4.5 million. Since you are close personal friends with the Obamas, please see how many stuff and hangers-on are coming. Is it one plane or two? Plus a support plane, So we are up to $13.5 million minimum. Now, what would a three week vacation cost you? $5,000? Multiply this by a thousand because everything they do is upside down and costs a fortune. And you got the rest of the story.

        • Keep those lies coming, are you proud to be a Koch sucker lemming?

          • mac12sam12

            You’re obsessed with the Koch brothers, free market capitalists and they also employ 60,000 people. Let’s talk about George Soros, a Nazi who turned in his fellow Jews and stole their property and is also a convicted felon, that’s your guy! Zeig Heil!!

        • Christopher Allen

          So right Jack! The advance team, with all the communications equipment, his limousine, etc. cost at least 2.5 mil!
          Then, add to that the cost of Air Force One, it’s escort planes, the press planes, etc.!
          Maybe, denise would like to pay for it all; but sounds like she is one of his “dole” takers!

        • Denise

          Still throwing the bogus prices. Do you forget Obama has a house in Hawaii. Two the plane fare comes with the title he’s the PRESIDENT OF OUR COUNTRY so get over it already just like every other president flown in a plane to take a vacation. Stop your crying already. Go home and count your pennies.

        • James Johnson

          He’s the president for fuck sake! I don’t care what the fuck political party he is from. I fought for your dumb ass to have the right to be as stupid as fuck! I am ashamed of your dumb ass. Its Americans like you who we think about when we are in those trenches half a world away wondering WTF we are doing all this for!

          Do you know how much it cost to send my UNIT here to fight for your dumb ass?????????? A hell of a lot more than the numbers your throwing out there shit head!!!!!!

    • marv

      Re elect George W Bush, he has a lot of character all right a real character, the war will be over in Iraq in a few days, that wasn’t a lie
      weapons of mass destruction , that wasn’t a lie. If the country didn’t go into debt most of it by the wars of the Bushes, and the banks

      and the stock market controlled by conservatives who ruined the housing market and many people lost their homes because of conservative greed, and large corporations like A&G who the principles should be in prison for what they pulled, forced Obama to bail them out, including general motors and Chrysler, if you think this last depression was bad, had he not bailed out all these greedy money hungry conservatives this would have been worse then the crash of 1929. More people are employed under Obama,
      the when the republicans held the presidency and congress, got us into wars we had no business being involved in that really increased the debt by trillions of dollars, Now inflation is low the stock market is solid, and we are out of Afghanistan, and at our city gas is 2.17 a gallon, and don’t tell me it’s because of Saudi Arabia selling oil cheap an will cause unemployment, why should we drill for our own oil when we can use up there supply and keep ours in the ground. The oil company’s are still making a profit or they wouldn’t have reduced the prices at the pump, they are to greedy for that, and by the way yours an my tax dollars subsidize the oil companies every year to the tune of billions of dollars, the oil companies are without a doubt run by conservative executives. So talking about a person of character in the white house, if it wasn’t for him, you would on the street in soup lines. I’m an American who believes supporting who ever is elected to our political offices, Republicans have divided this country with their rhetoric, and every step of the way since Obama became president the Republicans have sabotaged every possible forward thinking programs just out of spite.
      A large majority of intelligent Americans put him in office twice, so maybe we aren’t as dumb as you would like to think. I’m 80 years old, owned and operated a successful small factory with 80 employees for almost 50 years, grew up as a child in the middle of the 1929 depression, it happened because a republican president refused to increase the money supply as Obama did, and people jumped out of windows, committed suicide in many ways, because they lost fortunes in the market, the only thing that brought the USA back was the second world war, which put people to work making, war products, after the 2nd world war things were great for
      most of the people in our country outside of the black community who continued to suffer from racism an intolerance, and although things have gotten better for them they still remain unemployed along with other people of color, and it’s because of the greed of the American economic system. we have all but totally decimated our industrial base by companies like Walmart that buy and sell almost everything that is made in China, they tell people they are getting big savings when they are really getting cheap quality products, of which many are unsafe of which they get for next to nothing compared to products made in the USA mark it up 300% then give you a phony discount, JC Penny does the same thing like most large retailers, they got caught by one of their employees that said
      that a rack of men’s shorts that were at regular price $7.00 had been marked up to $14.00 then advertised at 59% off, these large corporations who pull that kind of dishonesty, you will find that their top executives are 95% right wing conservatives, so don’t think for one minute that conservatives are pure and clean and above misdeeds. The human condition is instinctively self serving, and that corruption in politics, religion, and money are the bane of man kind. People who spend their time putting other people down are usually people who blame everyone but themselves for their own personal misery. None of us are perfect, you are not and neither am I so don’t expect to be when you are not.

  • Marilynn Reeves

    I would say he is a man of faith,character and lives by G-D’s rules. Bet you can’t find 5 others like him.

    • Christopher Allen

      what’s the matter marilynn? You couldn’t complete GOD’s name?
      Don’t, you and others really stop to think about why he did what he did?
      He did it to attempt to put himself in a better light with the investors, so that he would be retained for the future; and i am sure, if he keeps making them money; they will vote him a much, much larger “bonus” in the future!
      If he had “cashed” it in, and given the money to charity, then i would agree with what you say! I have been in the “corporate world” way too long to know how it works!

      • Pendy1

        So, damned if he does, and damned if he doesn’t.

      • Bob666

        Or maybe he makes good decisions based on a moral and ethical foundation. Was it you calling someone a troll on another thread?

  • David

    That was a smart move. That potentially saved a lot of employees from being layed off. If he’d given it to charity, it more than likely would have gone toward other executives bonuses. Most “Charities” use 1-10% of donations for the actual stated cause, with the bulk paying salaries, utilities,ect. and HUGE bonuses and salaries for the people at the top.
    Some of the few that spend the BULK of donations on the claimed need, are St. Judes and the March of Dimes.

    • RetiredTpr

      AND, Shriners Hospitals for Children, who spend less than 10 cents of every dollar for administrative costs, etc. These other ” charities”, should be checked out and you may be surprised as to how little goes to do the mission of the organization!

      • conservative since 1962

        I doubt that either David or I would be surprised about many “charities” abuses of excessive “administrative costs” however most of those who do not check out a charity before donating would surely be more than surprised!

  • lrn2play

    I would love to know what the company did with the money. Besides turning other CEO’s againsst him, he sure made a bookkeepers job a lot harder. How does one explain a 1.85 millon windfall.

    • ernaldin

      Stock holders share the new “profit”….

      • conservative since 1962

        I sincerely hope you are correct as to what happens to the money.

  • Mys77

    A good man…hope there are others who have that same type of character.

  • Nut Cracker

    I don’t the man, but now I respect him. I do use their product, as well as their competitors’ products. Now, when the opportunity for choice is there, I will definitely use Plum Creek products for sure.

  • ernaldin

    Run this guy for president!

  • Doc Savage

    If only every D.C. Politician had his character, we’d of been long rid of Obama, the dead weight in D.C., and a country we could all once again be proud to live in. Rather then cesspool of trash running our country into the ground.

  • Lummi

    I would be inclined to invest in Plum Creek stocks simply on the strength of the corporation having top management with that level of integrity. I would feel confident that their management would do all possible, and take the necessary steps to regain profitability.

  • azonerimm

    Give that man a pat on the back. And SHARE this story ‘throughout the land’ (so to speak). Especially with all elected officials and (less importantly) civil servants. AND the leaders of Wall Street and Industry. Now this is positive behaviour, which SHOULD be REWARDED. Since he neither wants nor (presumably) needs the money, our KUDOs should flow freely. Thank you Rick Holley.

  • Martin Church

    Yes – I commend Mr. Holley as well. He is certainly a people person and a fine example for others at his level, particularly the Tyrant-In-Chief of the USA and his gang of incompetents. The only thing they are masters in doing is mismanagement and their desire to tell the working people of the US how to live, while they are unable to manage their own affairs.Of course, that is the story of “Incompetent People” through history. The only way they gain power is through deceitful ways, plus intimidation and etc. May God Bless Mr Holley and may his company and all the employees of the company be successful in the coming year – 2015.

  • pmbalele

    He should be jailed. This is a capitalist country which follows Reaganomics. He should have given it to poor Blacks and Whites for their education and techanical training -not to plow back to stock holders who are already fat.

    • Jack Strohbach

      And here is another democrat in favor of redistribution! And how exactly did these other people earn it? You do know that even before January 1st, 2015, our corporate taxes were highest in the world?

  • don lavrich

    this is an upright and honest man, some one that we need in government

  • An honest, do right by the stock holders kind of man. A rarity indeed. Will wonders ever cease? You are a good man, Mr. Holley.

  • gunnygil

    Since it was paid to him, even though he returned it, l wonder if IRS require him to pay the taxes?

  • M61A1

    Yep a hell of a man. To many greedy people, look at the hollywood crowd, too damn greedy.

  • Bob666

    I would hire him as a CEO.

  • deltamary

    GOD WILL REWARD HIM, TOO.

  • Missy

    Mr. Holley needs to be our allay!

  • Ellen

    How can Plum Creek Timber give that much bonuses to their executives when the share holders’ return was down 10%? Probable reason could be that there was a gain but the money were being given to their executives. Greedy bunch, ya?

  • Mark

    Why not spread it out among all the people who work hard there every day. that’s like saying its ok for me to get paid for your hard work but I will overlook you all. If he gets paid that much then the right thing to do is let it trickle down and recognize the work of all the others too, and that’s the right thing to say to the board.

    • Jack Strohbach

      Another redistributor. Please wait until you earn somehing before you decide what to do with it!

  • brian James

    class act and today he would be hard to fellow for other CEO’S of other Corporations. hats off to him

  • My hat is off this man! He understands what others who have invested in his company and have incurred a loss. He is a man with a conscience.

  • royaler

    if he returned it, it’s because he didn’t need it.

    he should have cashed it, & donated it to charity, like wounded warrior’s to mention one.

    • Jack Strohbach

      You need to find the nearest place to sign up as a democrat politician: you think that you know best what someone should do with their money. This is what every democrat in office believes.

      • royaler

        that’s my opinion, & you can take your idea of democrat’s & shove it, to hell with the democrat’s.

        I don’t know, but, I can’t think of any CEO, that i know of, is in need of cash, do you?

  • James in Texas

    A gentleman of Principles and Courage. An commodity in short supply in leadership in these days, Period! This is the type of person that people should consider for high office as opposed to far too many who currently hold such positions!

  • Burton Pauly

    There should be a lot of people in our federal gov. who do the same as this individual. Because many of them haven’t earned a bonus or a pay raise. They’ve mostly been inept at their positions.

  • Art Hock

    He’s one in a million. Not like politicians.

  • calhar

    It’s good to see someone not corrupted by a company Board of Directors that have their head in the sand.

  • marlene.langert

    It is my hope no one will answer Robert any more. He has nothing to say and absorbs nothing.

  • Robin Conkel-hAnnan

    America, the world needs more men like him..

  • josselineh

    If other CEO’s followed suit we would all have more confidence in corporate America. Mr. Holley obviously follows good ethical business practices….wish more would follow his excellent example. I would work for this company in a heart beat!

    This has nothing to do with politics; it has everything to do about a man’s character…whether he is a Republican or a Democrat or Liberal or any other party…I have seen good and bad on all sides of the fence so let’s not make this about politics…not everything is abut politics nor should it be. If this country cared less about which side of the fence you’re in and more about tearing down fences we’ve built, we would all be a better country for it.

  • Mike Fama

    There are still good people in this country and Mr Holly just proved it, 1.8 million would have helped many wounded warriors and their families

  • John Smith

    This man shoes why he is the chief executive officer!

  • ps2os2

    Color me suspicious. Did the IRS have a judgement pending?