Hey Liberals, Here’s What Happens When You Raise the Minimum Wage

15One hot topic of the liberals is the push to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

Some how in the minds of the economically ignorant, this will lift millions out of poverty and magically close the income gap versus the top 1%.

Here’s what’s happening in Seattle where liberals decided a minimum wage hike would lift up low-wage workers.

Guess what… these workers would rather have their government freebies than work harder at a higher wage:

An unintended consequence of Seattle’s plan to give every worker a “living wage” exposed some employees’ not-so-secret motivation: they want more money, but they don’t want to work for it.

Seattle workers who celebrated the city’s $15 an hour minimum wage are now asking for fewer hours so they can keep their welfare benefits, Fox Orlando reported Thursday.

Home nursing nonprofit Full Life Care told KIRO-TV that several workers have asked for fewer hours.

“If they cut down their hours to stay on those subsidies because the $15 per hour minimum wage didn’t actually help get them out of poverty,” said KIRO-FM radio host Jason Rantz, “all you’ve done is put a burden on the business and given false hope to a lot of people.”

Nice job Seattle liberals.

You’ve added an increased wage tax to low margin independent businesses such as restaurants.

You’ve done nothing to lift people out of poverty.

You’ve forced small businesses to increase their prices which hurts consumers.

All this fuss about raising the minimum wage is a waste of time.

Today with the Internet, the global economy, and free or low cost collaboration tools, there’s never been more opportunity for smart, hard-working people.

Maybe that low-wage restaurant job is the intern learning step to figuring out the opportunity?

Certainly the false hope of getting a mandated raise from the government isn’t the answer.

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  • Ruckweiler

    Thought? Lefties who THINK? Not possible. They emote.

    • Jerry

      You hit the nail on the head. Most in government never had a “real” job, that’s why they chose government. And then they get in their own way, and never ever admit they were wrong…..

      • DOC

        GOVERNMENT PAYS ABOVE THE MIN. WAGE

        • Peter Smith

          Government pays in spades. Check out government payscales against the same job in the private sector. The tax payers are getting hosed.

          http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/03/13/government-workers-cost-45-more-than-private-sector/

          The United States Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS)announced on March 12th that the total cost of employing a state or local government worker is 45% more than an equivalent worker in the private sector.

          For the month of December 2013, employers in private industry spent an average of $29.63 per employee hour worked, but the equivalent cost for a government worker averaged $42.89 per hour. Not only do government employees average 33% higher pay than those in the private sector, their pension and retirement benefit costs are now an incredible 254% higher also. Given that compensation formulas for federal, state, and local government are comparable, it should come as no surprise that this year spending by the U.S. government will exceed revenue by an all-time high of $744.2 billion, and our gross national debt is a stunning $18.5 trillion.

          The BLS reportedthat private employers spent $20.76 on average for wages and salaries, plus $8.87for benefits per hour worked. State andlocal government paid $27.66 for wages and salaries, plus $15.23 for benefitsper hour worked. Government employees cost33% more in wages and 71% more in benefits. The biggest difference is that government pension costs are 254% higherthan the private sector.

          Like I said, tax payers are getting hosed.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            That is a prime example of why the private sector should be in control of all jobs. No tax payer should ever be out more money to pay for a government job than they would get paid for the same job in the private sector. That is why we flourished under free enterprise and have declined under government control.

          • Peter Smith

            I agree. Without counting spending other people’s money, I cannot think of one PRODUCTIVE thing the government can do better than the private sector. I’m also a Texan,…..by the Grace of God. I thank the Lord in my prayers every night on this fact.

          • Dave Jacobs

            You are partially correct with your idea. However, there is something you do not seem to realize. Only the upper 8% of our population controls all of the wealth in our country. Why, you ask? Ever heard the phrase, “If it is good for business, it is good for the country.”? Do you know who said something like those words? Abraham Lincoln! The difference is that he actually said, “If it is good for the PEOPLE, it is good for the country.” About 60 years ago the present wording was coined in our Democratic party of Congress. Ever since that our politicians have made rules and laws that only favor business, and primarily major corporations. In that way all the money is handled, and controlled by only the most wealthy.
            IF it worked in the way President Lincoln stated it, all the money would first go to the people, who would then spend it with business. When it happens the way of now, very little money filters down to the people. Corporate owners, and execs, vote themselves high salaries, great benefits, and even spectacular stock options. Now, how is it that a corporate CEO should get a salary of 17 million a year, fully paid and complete for him and his family, medical, dental, and vision benefits at no cost while the highest paid hourly employee only gets +/- $39k, and must pay out $200 to 400 each month for his insurance?
            In case you didn’t know it there is only one LAWFUL way in which this whole situation can be reversed. It must be started by a vote on a Federal ballot to make the necessary change from which the entire plan will work. The vote must be from the people in our country, and immediately gains full control over our elected representatives in Congress.
            There is one major problem in getting the whole plan into operation. It takes people who are not even willing to walk around their community to get enough signatures on the petition to get the plan on the ballot. Every state must be covered to get enough signatures for a Federal ballot.
            It took me almost 30 years, and going back to school for the study of political science to finally put this together. Unfortunately, from the massive survey I had done on this all I found was that everyone did not want to do a thing for this to get going, but they sure wanted to talk, or argue their own thoughts. With the Internet all have a huge soapbox to vent their frustrations, and not have to work to fix the problem. It seems that every one of us have just become a bunch of lazy nincompoops just like those we elected to Congress today.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            That is a very political way of looking at things indeed.
            And I personally believe that all the PC is the problem. We will not change through an election, nor petitions. Anyone with any common sense can see that those means of getting things changed doesn’t work.
            As you stated how one thing is said, and is then changed to fit the governments best interest.
            Things are much worse now than they ever were then. And OUR government is very good at making everything fit their agenda.
            Good luck, I have a distinct feeling that you will need it.

          • Dave Jacobs

            It is obvious by your reply that you have not studied our Constitution well, or even the study of political science. As I had stated, there is ONE way, Only, that change can be made, and it Does require petitioning to get the plan on a ballot for voters. Once that is accomplished it demands AND Controls what is done by our elected officials.

            Had you done the study well enough it would be quite obvious. In Colorado some small steps were taken to remove those who did not work in the manner desired by the people. Unfortunately, they did not use the whole of the method to make an overall change. It did remove some officials,

            All I can say is Study, study, study …… Or “Jump on the Bandwagon” of what I am attempting to do, and learn.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            Your bandwagon needs a bandaide, as it is obvious to me that you have no idea what kind of people who are actually running this country at this very minute. But by all means continue with your PC and idealist attitude and find out how that works out for you. good luck…
            Your way is already broken and nothing or no amount of signatures or petitions will change the “powers that be” in office right now. They don’t care about the citizens and haven’t for a long time. Their actions speak loud and clear.
            Did you learn anything?
            I doubt it, hard to smell the roses with your head up your ass.
            Pompous prick……………..

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            The time for a change is very near…..too bad you will be handing out paperwork instead of taking real action.
            Have you learned anything yet?………pompous prick

          • Dave Jacobs

            You have just proved that you cannot think of law, but only how you wish to complain about what our elected officials are doing that is upsetting, and by many standards, both moral and legal. You have absolutely no knowledge of the law or politics or you would know how the problem could be changed. My law degree, and one in politics both still took me almost twenty years to finally find that there is a way to make the needed changes because I was thinking in the way of yourself, and most others without any thought about what exists in our legal system to make the change.

            Did you not even pay attention to what was done in Colorado to remove some of their own elected officials? They used one point of the law to do what they wanted. They could have used more in law that would have done even better. At least, someone there knew what they could do. Thank heavens you, and others such as yourself did not live in that state or nothing would have been done.

            I have been trying to educate others as to what should be done to make the needed change, but there are so many out there who are as lazy as you that I have not yet gained as much ground as is necessary. My ‘educating’ others has taken me the past sixteen years of butting heads with the likes of you. All of which has been with personal contact, plus a survey of 1261 people. All but one of the 1261 people were enthused with the plan, but only six were willing to do what would be the best help. (none of which involved any expense to the individual)

            There are just too many in our society today that would rather complain than to take action in the prescribed, lawful manner.
            By the way, in the manner prescribed in our laws, there is no way any politician could do even one thing to stop the action once started. But, just keep on complaining and remain a dunderhead until things crash down around you.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            nope dumbass I am a Texan, I don’t live in Colorado and whatever happened there has nothing to do with us and damn proud of it. Your only correct assumption is that I have not extensively studied law, but then again I have no respect for those who do.
            Read the other headlines of how our state is putting the gold standard back into the value of the dollar. We don’t rely on the government’s floppy old tit or it’s politicians and dipsticks like you. I told you plainly, I don’t believe in the people running our country and there are more and more people with my same disposition on a daily basis. So go and get your little petition going and the rest of us realistic citizens will take care of the problems.
            School boy the real world is nothing like a professor’s classroom, so get on your pompous bandwagon, and get to work. Maybe by the time we have solved the problems destroying this country you will have all the signatures you need.
            Furthermore I couldn’t give two squirts for your little college education, you are all brainwashed by the PC assholes that make sure what you are learning fits their needs.. Grow up, bonehead and realize that nothing you will do can ever make a difference.
            By your arrogant bullshit, I take it that you are some kind of a new graduate and just full of themselves because they went to college. Well sunshine so did I, and I also have over 30 years in the workforce to prove my point and my bias views, no half ass piece of paper gives you common sense and the ability to understand people, that comes with age and experience.
            But by all means keep your pompous head buried in the sand, then I will know where to park my bike.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            You are right there is only one way to make a real change, unfortunately for you it is NOT by signing petitions. It is when real men stand up and take back their rights. It will take the spilling of blood to make a difference. The American revolution and Texas’ Independence from Mexico are prime examples of what is about to happen again. I know our history and I also know that history has a way of repeating itself.
            Pompous little school boys need to just stay at home and hide under their mother’s skirts. I don’t believe you have what it takes to make a real difference, no matter what you know about the law or how you believe that change can be made. Hopefully you won’t get any paper cuts.
            First, kill all of the lawyers.
            Ever heard that saying?
            It should been written in every law book ever published.
            Are you learning anything yet?………..pompous bandwagon prick

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            The voice of the people has NOT matter in years, that is obvious by the actions taken every day by our illustrious government officials….. nobody here wants to pay taxes to help support the world, nor do they want to control every other country in the world. Only the rich and the politicians. Who become rich after getting in office.
            We would rather have our country free of debt, with our infrastructure in excellent working order. We would like to have an honest day’s wages that actually gives us the opportunity to have the life we work so hard for. We would like to know that our children will have a better life than we have.
            Open you eyes, take a deep breath and realize that these things will not happen until we rid ourselves of the current people in power. No amount of signatures or petitions will make that happen.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            Convoluted laws, full of amendments that have absolutely nothing with the original content, sold off for votes to get it passed. Everybody want’s their piece of the pie, and haven’t a clue that by adding all of those amendments in order to get something for themselves, totally diminishes the original content and wishes of the people, who by the way signed your petition. That is the reality of our congress and senate. Selfish!
            you learning yet?

          • Dave Jacobs

            You are absolutely correct with all of that. All politicians over the past 50 or 60 years have gotten into office only for one or two reasons: money and/ or power. Laws we have allowed them to make have been terrible most of those years, and very degrading to the ‘average’ of us in our society. Fortunately, there is one thing they are not able to change in any of their actions. That is the one, and only true ‘bullet’ we have to lawfully change the whole mess.

            The very first thing that must be done is to take away the power of Congress to set their own salaries, and benefits. We do have that power exclusively. After that there is a need for a certain group to take over the setting of their salary and benefits. It is part of the action that establishes that “certain group”. And, who serves on that group? Non-politicians in society that have never earned any wages above low middle class of our society, and who will never earn more than that level if they do not force the politicians whom they would then control by the salary they can make, to change the direction of laws made to benefit the people.

            There is a whole lot more to that plan, but the key is that the only way to gain control over the politicians who are supposed to benefit the people first, is to grab them by the short hairs ….. their money!

            If people would vote to take control of the salaries and benefits in that way the group of people would then immediately set the salaries of all elected officials in Congress to a part time, minimum wage with no benefits of any kind. The only way then the politicians can get more money is to do what is needed to get more for the people. Saying “the people” does not mean, ‘business or corporation’.

            You have possibly heard the saying, “If it is good for business, it is good for the country.” The original words were, “If it is good for the people, it is good for the country.” (Abraham Lincoln)
            The original idea was that if the people control the wealth of the country, they would support business. What has happened is the political trail has favored business instead of the people. That gets them more money, prestige, and power, as well as a good financial arrangement for their retirement. That has helped many corporate execs become millionaires, without helping the people who are supposed to support them. Government, by the very laws they have been enacting have allowed only the upper eight percent of our population to have absolute control over all the wealth of our country. Why should any corporate exec get a salary of millions of dollars per year, given a certain amount of valuable stocks, and full benefits? They are not any better than any person in our society. They don’t deserve such a wide discrepancy of pay from that of the lowest paid hourly worker.

            Now, wouldn’t you vote to make that change if given the chance?
            You do have the power to do so.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            I’ll vote will 00 shotgun shells, and my .45…….I take it you will never understand the real feeling of the American people. But don’t you worry, the time for such a drastic change is upon us and there are many of us who are willing to take the steps to rectify the problems that plague us.
            RN, RRT, RPSGT with over 30 years in the medical field. I see the corruption of our government on a daily basis, giving services away to everyone except those who have paid their way throughout life and deserve the care. I look forward to this change, and I am more than willing to help in a manner that actually works. By force. That is all they understand and they have shown us their worried outlook by doing everything they can to disarm the citizens.
            first, kill all the lawyers…..old but still rings true.

          • Dave Jacobs

            With much research done, not enough Americans yet think of such drastic actions. Many, such as yourself, talk, but only a very, very few are at anywhere near such stage of action. If such acts are committed at this time, and for a good number of years yet, most will die as American Traitors, and not ever seen as real patriots.

            Talk of revolution yet has no place in our country. The need for such action is not even close at present. That does not mean that it can never come to that end, but not yet. When the time comes, IF it ever should come, I am probably much more prepared that even many who talk of it these days. I not only have the training, but have also written on, lectured on, and taught survival for the average citizen. This even includes when, where, and how to take such action. I have been doing that for the past twenty six years. Your shotgun and .45 are hardly good enough these days for much anyway. Fine if you would only be up against one or two, but against all you would have to ‘combat’ against, they are nothing. You would need an organized army of many hundreds of thousands with a proper military command and supply. Remember the words of Patton: “One does not die for his country, but makes the other, poor, dumb bastard die for his.” Your measly supply of weapons might make for some light survival action, but hardly anything of value otherwise.

            We are not under a government that takes the kind of action that was taken against the people back when under British rule, even though much of the action of laws by our elected representatives is contrary to the wishes of the people, we are nowhere near a point where your ‘rabble-rousing’ talk is necessary. The mere expression of opinion that you are ready and willing to take drastic action should it be needed, is good.
            To work any toward antagonizing and inciting people to that end is not good. All you do for yourself is make yourself to be some sort of braggart, and you open your mouth merely to exchange feet.

            Unless such a time comes for revolution, the only course of lawful
            action that will work without any unlawful revolution is openly
            available and once started cannot be stopped. But you are too dense to understand that, and stuck on not knowing, or willing to learn any other way. You probably don’t even have the actual training for what you are insinuating, let along proper equipment.

            I have suggested a possible route without being traitorous, but to take up such an action doesn’t fit into your woeful idea. You seem to want to live in that way. Well, head out to a country where you already can have that action. You sure aren’t acting like a good American because you aren’t looking for the best answer without some type of war. Just go get into some real war somewhere, and if you live through it you might reconsider your ideas.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            watch and learn.

          • Dave Jacobs

            Yes, “watch and learn” as I am the teacher. Unfortunately, you, the student, think you know more.

            I already know my place, even though you don’t know yours for
            our society. You, the unlawful, just do and stop talking. I have not the time, nor the inclination to be party to those so ignorant as you. You will definitely have to learn, be it the hard way of your own thinking, and suffer the consequences of your actions.

            Of course, you, like so many others of your thinking, are all talk. You don’t even have the intestinal fortitude to back up anything, right or wrong.

            Ending this here!

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            Your time has ended and you have just now figured it out…teacher? LIAR is more like it, or is it that you have a degree in everything and have tested out on everything……pompous prick. Is there nothing that others have accomplished that you did not just do on a whim? LIAR. Traitor to the very country that lets you live in your make believe world. You will find out soon enough just who has the fortitude and who are the paper pushers. Cheerleaders, with your pompoms, on your fucking bandwagon.
            Hard to smell the roses with your head up your ass and yours is in deep.
            Teacher of what? Emergency services? How about nursing? Politics? Law? Common sense? I believe in lying, you are the professor.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            what research? watching fox news? If your not a part of these things you will not know of them. Dumbass.
            To believe that you have researched anything is a lie, thus considering me to be naïve and gullible.
            Sorry …. I believe you to be full shit.
            Get back on your bandwagon and head north east, where you belong. With the rest of the morons and liars.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            You are wrong about how the people are thinking as well, especially about a revolution. There are many others who have the same mindset but have not found the right leadership, thus not showing their real feeling in public. While they may have not yet made the full commitment, they are out there and number in the millions. You are about to get an education on reality, as you need one desperately.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            There is not a person one on this planet willing to give up the power they have been given or taken from others, especially those in our government.
            To achieve any kind of change first you have to get those exact people to give up their power and that will never happen. They will never change the laws that make them rich and powerful and quite naïve to think so. They have shown their attitude towards the people in a loud and clear voice, and the only way to take that power away from them is through force. I am already a part of something greater than myself and shall remain a true supporter of the change that will be made through my sacrifice. Born American, Native American…family from the Oklahoma Territories and I have seen what our government is willing to do in order to get their way. And while the Cherokee Nation as a whole was willing to be brought to a point of extermination because they were “civilized”, I am not.

          • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

            I hope you never get cancer, because by your definition removing some of it would be just fine. Although, as an RN I can tell you for a fact that removing just a part of the disease will not cure you from it. What is left will continue to spread and infect the rest of your body…our officials are a cancer to OUR nation and need to be completely removed.

          • Dave Jacobs

            That is not very likely for me as I have already lived over 7/8ths of the average life expectancy today. So, you are an RN. I have been a licensed medic now for forty-two years. About six years ago I challenged the nursing exams, and passed. As I did not want to take on that as my full time work I did not take a license. I had two of my own business to run, and preferred them. Not that I made more money, but that I liked the work I was doing, and had control over what I did, or didn’t do. At my age now I am still licensed, and working in the regional EMS system here, but have gotten to the point in my life where I am not so enthused in staying with it for much longer. Age makes it much more difficult when you are on edge all the time in emergency medicine in the field. Today I just finished a thirteen hour shift. I never used to get this run down and tired in the field as I do now.

            So, you are not so privy to the field than myself. The constant study to keep up with meds, protocols, new procedures, and practices with training every week, and schools every month are now just too much for me. If I make it through the next four years I will give it up. I retired once, so I can sure do it again.

            The Social Security I receive isn’t a very great standard of living. It isn’t even a real living wage today. At a time I should be living a more sedentary lifestyle, I have to work even more to get by. As a result, what I had found years ago to make the needed change in our society is very appealing. My problem is that I am not the one to take on the whole task. It is going to take someone, and a lot more ‘someones’ to do the job. The fact still remains that it is the only way, lawful way, to get rid of all the dead head politicians.

            Should you have an interest in knowing more of the idea, just email me.

        • frank zarzar

          Postal carriers start around $54,000 and where I live they keep getting fired for stealing or peddling drugs on their routes!

          • Michael Schore

            Specifics please. It happens once in a while but does nowhere near the harm that the thieves in American boardrooms are doing. Why is it you never complain about that?

          • frank zarzar

            What do you want, court dates? The manager of the post office was stealing money for years, obviously no checks and balances by the goberment. Two mail carriers fired, one for stealing mail, the other for selling drugs on his route. My carrier sorts mail by first name? I get anyones mail in my development that has the same 1st 3 letters of their 1st name as me! That means, they could be getting my investment statements etc as I am always re-delivering the mail because of these morons.

          • Candice Hiler

            Post offices have post masters and supervisors, not managers. In large offices and most small offices, the mail is already sorted in the order it is to be delivered.

          • frank zarzar

            Manager or Post Master same difference. I don’t study the proper gobermant terminology for Post Office titles. And if its presorted, why does the carrier keep filling my box with other peoples mail? Are you trying to blame automation? The carrier can’t read? Are they not supposed to read?

          • Ricochet

            The carriers sort their own routes unless they get some help from another carrier who got done early. The pre-sorts only get things into the proper route. When you pre-sort something to send it, you might have it in that proper order, but your bunch isn’t the only group being delivered on the route at one time, so it still has to be sorted at the route level. Your pre-sorted group can be sorted quicker because it’s in order, which is why you get the price break on the postage for pre-sorted first class.

          • DOC

            They get fired what your problem. The crooks on Wall Street get pay raises
            for stealing

          • Candice Hiler

            City routes are paid hourly. Rural routes are evaluated by time and distance and rates per hour are paid, therefore, the amount of money that a carrier earns varies considerably. A person with a small auxiliary route doesn’t get paid nearly as much as a person with a high volume, high distance rural route.

          • Ricochet

            In some places at least, the rural routes are bid on and the person supplies his own vehicle, and expenses. I think the bids are for a year at a time, so they have to predict the costs of gas, etc. I think the same goes for trucks taking bulk mail on routes from town to town.

        • Michael Schore

          Apparently you have never looked into government employment. The feds and locals both pay under the normal for most jobs.

      • Michael Schore

        Thanks for insulting myself and all Vets out there Jerry. GFY

        • skipsart

          Hey Michael, Jerry was not speaking of Vets. He was only speaking of bureaucrats. You might owe Jerry an apology. What say you?

          • Michael Schore

            Hell no, doesn’t deserve one. When you make a stupid blanket statement you deserve what you get.

          • skipsart

            Never heard vets being referred to before as “federal employees”
            You know that’s not what he meant at all. Most everyone else here does, except of course, Linda Lee, but we haven’t heard back from her yet.
            So we shall see.

          • Michael Schore

            Ask any soldier what happens when the morons on the right shut down the government. They don’t get paid just like everyone else in the FEDERAL government. That pretty much makes them a federal employee doesn’t it. The only thing Jerry needs is a mental health checkup.

          • Jerry

            Let’s understand something from the get-go. I myself am a veteran, so clear that rhetoric up. It’s really unfortunate that you became a “lilberal weeenie”. No one losses money when the government is “shut down”. All employees get paid when it’s over. It also provides people with an education on how to better budget their money. “Active Military” do get paid, retirees only get paid when the shut down is over………So there, wise ass……..

          • Michael Schore

            Weenie? For a soldier to become a idiot zombie rightie is something I have never understood. The only weakling in this conversation is those of you on the right. It takes thinking and empathy to be a progressive. Unless of course you are one of those secret millionaires out there supporting the GOP. But I doubt that so you are just a sucker, fodder for the 1%.

            Apparently you haven’t been around long enough to remember but there were times when we got paid late. Also, the legislation to exempt military pay only passed in 2013. So for low paid enlisted pay will not be delayed anymore. You righties need to get your facts right, dumb ass. GFY

          • Allen Burt

            You haven’t said anything correct, (except politically), in this whole thread.

          • Candice Hiler

            I have a lot of military personnel in my family and know so many others it isn’t funny. I don’t know of ANY who fought for a socialist/communist nation or for those who wanted to destroy America with their leftist Constitution destroying tactics and policies. Wake up and get right or get left.

          • Michael Schore

            And your fascist views will do better I suppose? Exactly what communist/socialist views has anyone espoused Ms. Hiler? I and many others have served in the military of this country. The only reason I got out was that I was running into to many hyper-religious fascists in the service for my liking. In case you didn’t learn this in school, as evidenced from some of you comments, the Constitution was written by deists and was written to look out for all people. Not just a privileged few.

          • Jerry

            First of all, I have been around a lot longer than you and possibly your father.
            To become a progressive/liberal you must have a severe case of PTSD.
            P.S. Just remember, you volunteered to be a “low paid enlisted person”, I was drafted, something you know nothing about……

          • bitterclinger

            The thieves on the left are MUCH more likely to screw vets at every opportunity. They use government shut downs to punish their political adversaries, which includes vets. The current occupant of the white house has taken it to another level. You may want to drop by the VA for a check up yourself.

        • Jerry

          Oh, and Michail, I responded to your diatribe without vulgarity. Your definitely a “liberal progressive”. We Republicans don’t talk like that……

          • Michael Schore

            I chose to use salty language with you pricks to let you know how absolutely livid I am the way this country is going. In NC, we have taken a once great place to be and are actively flushing it down the toilet so that a few rich people can benefit. GFY

          • Jerry

            That does it. The two most important rules of a serious debate is:
            #1: Raise your voice you lost the debate…….
            #2: Use vulgarity you lose, period………
            Bye, Bye Mishael……………….

      • Linda Lee

        Jerry I apologize on your behalf to all our vets ( several of which are my famiy members) out there. and I ditto GFY

        • skipsart

          Hey Linda, Jerry was not speaking of Vets. He was only speaking of bureaucrats. You might owe Jerry an apology. What say you?

        • Jerry

          Linda Lee, I don’t know what it is you think I need to apologize for. I am a vet of the first order and I wear it as a badge of honor.

      • Name

        Thats all your repukes in Congress and the Senate. If they don’t like government they shouldn’t fuckin be there you moron! They get better pay than your dumbass gets and they get better benefits than you too, you jackass! Then they want you to tell everybody else to defund everthing the DEMS DO FOR YOU, YOU FUCKIN IDIOT!

        • Candice Hiler

          DEMONcRATS don’t do anything for anyone but themselves. We could eliminate 95 percent of the crap initiated in our federal government and this nation, AND the citizens, would fare much, much better than anyone could imagine. Go do a search for juxtaprogressive to see just how stupid the DEMONcRATS are.

          • Michael Schore

            You’re such a special little snowflake aren’t you? How exactly would you propose to stop companies from fouling our air and water? Ask them pretty please? But then again you are apparently a thumper whose brain has rotted away for jesus hasn’t it. You don’t have the will or brains to think on your own. Good riddance to you all.

        • Jerry

          I will respond to your foolishness when you sober up and think about what you are saying before you say it. You are obviously angry at some bad choices you make in life. By the way, I made more than they do, with better benefits, in my working days. I’m retired, now, and still doing much better…
          Without all the vulgarity……….

      • insbuysrv

        My father worked for the Labor Department in the Wage Hour division protecting workers who were being cheated by their employer. He enforced the time and a half for working over 40 hours per week. I’m proud of the work he did. It was a real job and somebody had to do it.

  • game50

    Hello!….By increasing wages..you pay more in taxes, you pay for your health care. You no longer able to get food stamps,section 8, welfare, non other government program. Lets not forget paying more for things you need to buy. They were better off with lower wages…Dumb assess.

    • Name

      You’re the dumbass and you lost your game by 50 you LOSER!

      • game50

        Name: Please go back under your rock…facts are facts..deal with it..dumb ass…and leave me alone too.

      • Texanbychance, Americanbybirth

        nameless, you haven’t a clue. 1st you have to actually pay your own way and then you can have voice in the matter. 2nd our country was better off in the late 70’s and throughout the 80’s when the minimum wage was $3.25 an hour. Housing, clothing, entertainment, food and all other essential needs cost much less than today, while the minimum wage went a lot farther by comparison. When you grow up and have lived for a while, then you can have an opinion…but until then shut your dumbass mouth.

  • DOC

    This is so true. Like old people say BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR ,YOU MIGHT GET IT..LOL

  • Ibcamn

    and this was the regimes plan all along…the morons just fell for it!oops,i’m sorry…the useful idiots fell for it!

  • dnotes

    Low wage, low skill job earners in Seattle were hoodwinked into their ‘$15 per hour minimum wage increase’ effectively disconnected from many government programs previously costing the local minimum income required to live in HUD compliant housing (Section 8), receive food (SNAP food card), ‘free’ cell phone ( metroPCS) etc. costing the taxpayer ( which is the dwindling ‘middle class’ ) the equivalent difference in what the true LOCAL MINIMUM cost of living is for the area which, for places such as Seattle runs around $80,000 per year for a household of 4 living poorly and just scraping by!

  • frank zarzar

    Big surprise! Soon McDonalds will start hiring only college graduates as they may grasp great customer service. Twenty Eight thousand dollars while living at your parents house go’s a long way! Stay on the parents healthcare until your 26, and have a much better job with benefits.

  • vaquero711

    Ye, thanks this moron guitar player ( who is sucks , by the way ) from ” Rage against the Machine ” ( band also sucks ) and his imbeciles liberal friends who pushed this 15 $ hr crap . So ,my congrats to you , uneducated , brainwashed idiots from Seattle . No wander you gave us the worse band of all times as well .

    • Name

      Remain a dumbass, wtf cares about you, certainly not th 1% who you worship! Dumbass!

      • vaquero711

        I worship no one . And you can remain to be a useful idiot for your masters .

  • Michael Schore

    Not one bit of hard data. Innuendo and hearsay accounts of the impact of paying people a livable wage.

    • kmdilli

      Not sure what you mean.
      Have YOU ever received “welfare”?
      Have you ever seen, looked at, been held by…welfare cash and/or food stamp RULES?
      You might want to do a bit of research on the numbers- what income (legal REPORTED income) is allowed to continue being eligible for those benefits before you get all puffed up about “hearsay”.
      Oh, have YOU ever LIVED IN SEATTLE? Do you have any idea what the “cost of living” is in Seattle?
      I’m from there. In my day those jobs were TRAINING jobs for youth. YES! MINIMUM WAGE for MINIMUM SKILLS. These jobs were never meant to support families, or even singles- unless the desire was to go into Management and make fast food a REAL CAREER, which yes, it certainly CAN BE!

      • Jerry

        New York city has the highest cost of living in the US and their minimum is nowhere near $15/hr….

    • Jerry

      Minimum wage was never meant for a family of four. Minimum wage is meant for people with “minimum skills”.

  • Michael Schore

    The amount of stupidity on this forum is stunning. Then again Trump should do well with this crowd.

  • Linda Lee

    Pricing our youth of of much needed jobs sure as hell ain’t good either.

  • The Fox

    I for one am tired of supporting the welfare hand out crowd and this BS needs to stop or this nation will go under for those who want but, don’t want to work for it.

    • Candice Hiler

      Can you say Cloward and Piven? Read about Obama’s background (Hillarity’s, too!) for more info on their motives and goals.

      • Cloward–Piven strategy

        The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of “a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty”.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_strategy

        • Candice Hiler

          Yup!! Thanks.

  • General “Bull” Krapper

    Another part of the lie-beral agenda that seems to be going well. — Stay Well, Safe & Free

    • Name

      Wake up general before your own BS overwhelms your dumb ass!

      • Candice Hiler

        …as has already happened in your case.

      • General “Bull” Krapper

        Imagine being called a dumb ass by someone not bright enough to even come up with a name for himself. Just another sign of a lie-beral school education. I typed this slowly so that “NAME” would be able to read & comprehend it. — Stay Well, Safe & Free

  • Robert Pekarik

    Lies, lies and more lies from the liberal/progressive/marxist fundamental transformers. The problem is they don’t even have a fundamental idea of how America works.

    • Name

      You fuckin moron, the 1% is draining all of us by evading paying trillions of taxes.
      Then they get you limp dicks to blame the poor and the disabled for receiving aid.
      Fuck you pimply dick aholes. The 1% uses you like a bunch of ho’s and then throws you under the bus. You people are way too stupid! Get the fuck out of the way for us progressives who
      can deal with these aholes cause were a whole lot smarter. Get yourselves educated so
      you can keep your head above ground level, dummies!

      • Robert Pekarik

        More proof of the inept education system in America. Pushed through every grade that you may have attended and then settled for minimum effort and anger that your not getting paid more for doing nothing. Isn’t it funny that people from all over the world want to come to America to improve the lives of their families, get jobs and do the best they can but the lazy, disgruntled entitlement junkies complain that they’re not getting enough for doing nothing. Take away the entitlements for the non-workers and with that money help the working families that are struggling but are proud enough to work for their money. You need to find a country that will put up with your ignorance and idiocy. Try North Korea, you can spew your stupidity there and see how they react. Moron!!!!!!

        • bitterclinger

          Nice try, but dealing with these marxist useful idiots is a fools errand. They are too blinded by the propaganda to ever hope to see the truth. Just vote them down and flag when they stoop to the name calling and foul language after they lose the debate.

          • Robert Pekarik

            You are absolutely correct. I’m not sure why I do it. Perhaps it’s the excitement of seeing how close you can go into their minds without losing your own. I’ve gotten close enough to actually see the surface. It reminded me of a job I once had cleaning out port-a-potties.

      • Jerry

        The 1% got there by hard work and determination. You and all of your progressive friends ought to try it sometime. Oh, I forgot, that would mean you would have to exert your self, sorry……..
        Dumbass……..

        • R. Eilers

          Lol, half the 1%rs inherited their money, most of the other 1% were born in to affluent families

          • Jerry

            Another progressive myth perperpetrated by the democRAT party to keep the freeloaders in line.
            Sam Walton started with one store in 1947 on borrowed money. Bill Gates, self-made, Steve Jobs, self-made, Mark Zukerberg, self-made, Steve Ballmer,self-made, etc. etc. There have been more self-made millionaires made since the end of WWII than at any time in history. You could be a 1%er if you applied yourself instead of whining your life away.

          • R. Eilers

            Sam waltons heirs were 8 of the top ten richest people once and didn’t work one day for that money.

          • Jerry

            They all worked in the stores, and some still do…………….

          • R. Eilers

            Yes we could have 100 million 1%ers in America right? Lol. You’re so fucking stupid

          • Jerry

            You are where you are in life because you are too stupid to listen and learn.
            Jeff Foxworthy said it best…”You can’t fix STUPID”.
            Bye bye Eilers………

          • R. Eilers

            I’m right where I want to be. Bye bye bubble head

      • paulrod

        uh, smarter? Hey, he said he’s not only smarter, but a whole lot smarter. Wow, when I grow up I want to be just like him……..

      • Allen Burt

        Wrong! The so-called 1% pay most of the taxes and the lower 33% pay none at all.
        Stop lying!

      • Allen Burt

        Wake up and join the Nazi Party, eh?
        The Nazis were started by the German Socialist Party,
        Definitely progressive!
        You’ll fit right in!

  • R. Eilers

    So what you are saying then story writer is republicans would rather pay taxes for welfare than have employers pay decent wages. By the way Seattle unemployment has dropped a full point since wages rose so I surmise this story is made up anyway

    • “…Seattle unemployment has dropped a full point since wages rose…”

      Not really a “math genius”, are you, Ellers?

      When you take a full-time job and reduce it to part time, it then takes two (or even 3) people to do what one was doing before.

      Ergo: some of those formerly “unemployed” are now ’employed’; but the welfare roles are not only _not_ necessarily reduced, they may even be _increased_—depending on how much money each of the “new” part-time employees earn on _their_ “new” jobs.

      • R. Eilers

        It doesn’t take a math genius to read the Seattle employment statistics. Try it some time

        • I’m sorry that I was speaking over your head, Ellers.

          Of _course_ the “Seattle employment statistics” are going to _look_ better when a job formerly held by one full-time employee becomes a part-time job with two employees, since the second part-time employee comes off the “unemployed” roll.

          However, exactly _where_ is the overall benefit???

          • R. Eilers

            You are really pushing hard to want people to believe more pay means less jobs but so far you are all talk. When a business needs employees they hire. When a business hires more employees it means the business is growing. Businesses don’t fire full time employees to hire part time employees, it costs businesses more money. I’m sorry you can’t understand simple economics. Maybe if you would have finished high school you could comprehend how getting better paychecks helps an entire community

          • “Businesses don’t fire full time employees to hire part time employees, it costs businesses more money.”

            Apparently you haven’t kept up, Ellers; that started when ObamaCare came into play:

            “Obamacare has caused millions of full-time jobs to become part-time, imposed a tax on lower-income workers who cannot afford it, forced millions of people out of insurance they liked, restricted access to doctors for millions of others, and created an enormous bureaucracy that discourages our doctors and nurses while suppressing health-care system innovation.”
            — Andy Puzder, CEO of Carl’s Jr., Tuesday, January 13th, 2015, Wall Street Journal op-ed

          • R. Eilers

            Lol, a comment from — Andy Puzder, CEO of Carl’s Jr. is like asking a teatard who would be a better president, cruz or hillary. Why not get some facts instead of opinions? Don’t facts fit in to your teatard agenda?

          • How much does the DNC pay you to hang out here and be their Web Propagandist?

          • R. Eilers

            The U.S. labor force has gained more than 11 million jobs since March 2010. Nearly 10 million of them aren’t in health care. Why March 2010? ACA started

          • bitterclinger

            There are currently 93 million Americans out of work, and 50 million on food stamps, this represents the lowest labor force participation rate since the reign of Jimmy the peanut in 1978! All recessions are followed by major recoveries, with the exception of the depression and the current recession, the common denominator in both cases was excessive government intervention. The ACA is keeping job creation low, most new jobs are part time to get around the added expenses to the employers, whom you may be shocked to learn can’t print more money like the feds can.

          • R. Eilers

            Of course theres 90 million people not working. There are 60 million people on social security. 86 million under age 21 and 165 million workers. Add it up. Smfh

          • R. Eilers

             The number of Americans who are 16 years or older and who have decided not to participate in the nation’s labor force has climbed to a record 90,609,000  in September, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Are we expecting our children and seniors to work now?

          • R. Eilers

            Low income workers get subsidies up to 100%. They don’t have to afford it. Plus the vast majority are young and the insurance is dirt cheap

          • R. Eilers

            Part time Jobs went up but not because of Obamacare. People can now afford to work part time and some can get Obamacare subsidies because they do work part time. The Bush Great Recession added more part time jobs than Bush could even muster in full time jobs

    • Jerry

      Decent wages is in the eye of the beholder. Obviously your opinion is pay more for no talent and everything will be OK. You want to hear some real “crying and see some tears”, just wait until tax time and the $15/Hr crowd finds out the the Democrats sand-bagged them, again………

      • R. Eilers

        Sand bagged? Meaning you don’t think workers should pay taxes? What’s talent got to do with minimum wage? Should we pay no talent workers $2 an hour and let our taxes pay for their food and housing?

        • Jerry

          How twisted can your approach be when you think talent has nothing to do with what a person should be paid?? Long before I had any talent in the workforce I was paid $1.10/hour. Based on your approach to the subject, all persons in the workforce should be paid the same (hail to Saul Alinsky) talent be damned. That thinking is what brought Spain, France, Greece and Italy to their financial knees………….

          • R. Eilers

            So you agree? Unskilled workers should be paid slave wages by their employers and the government should pick up the tab for their food, housing and healthcare? Personally I’d say make employers pay the wages and healthcare so my taxes are lower

          • R. Eilers

            I think employees should be paid for what they are worth. Do you think a doctor that makes 500k is worth more than a CEO that makes 22 million? Do you think a policeman making 50k is worth more than a football player that makes 10 million?

          • Jerry

            You are totally out of phase. You are talking about professionals with a talent.
            Minimum wage is geared for those with NO talent………

          • R. Eilers

            EXACTLY. That’s why we need a minimum wage, so non talented and unskilled Americans can also make a living without government subsidies

          • Jerry

            To carry your thinking to it’s end, if what a person has to offer is worth nothing, then they should be paid nothing. I can live with that……..

          • R. Eilers

            In that line of thinking all inheritance should be taxed 100%. And all non skilled workers should be slaves

          • Jerry

            Inheritance was already taxed at the beginning, so, no more tax……..
            And yes, all unskilled==slaves………

          • R. Eilers

            My boss gives me a million dollars it gets taxed, my boss dies and gives me a million it shouldn’t be taxed?

          • Jerry

            He already paid the tax you dunce……

          • R. Eilers

            He did you moron but the person with the new income hasn’t been taxed. All new income should be taxed equally

          • Jerry

            That is definitely a progressive approach to keep taking, no matter the circumstance. Money (income), should be taxed only ONE time. When someone gives you a gift of MONEY do you voluntarily pay tax on it???
            I doubt it…….Inheritance is a gift, no matter what YOU call it…….

          • Jerry

            If you are “given” money for services rendered, yes it is taxed. If it is a gift, no tax, inheritance, life insurance etc. NO tax……….

          • R. Eilers

            I’m glad you teatards are finally airing your agenda, pure fascism

    • bitterclinger

      There have been a lot of businesses closing in Seattle due to that law. Using basic math it is easy to see that if there were say 40,000 jobs, to keep things simple, prior to the law going into effect, and business closings reduced the available jobs by 400, that would result in an unemployment “number” going “up” by 1%. It represents no added jobs mind you, it merely reduced the total number of available jobs by 1% and the new number merely reflects the new reality in jobs number. Dishonest reporting, or spinning these numbers could be used to tell any story that fit the writers narrative. This happens at the federal level as well, as a nation we are down 2 million positions, permenantly lost, than there were in 2008. The U3 number is a shame, the U6 number is closer to reality, but is still manipulated.

      • R. Eilers

        Lol, you do know Seattle’s minimum wage is $11 an hour right now? No business has closed due to the ruse in the minimum wage. NONE. Restaurant permits have remained the same for tears now. No drop. Go finish 5th grade my friend. When 1% of the workforce loses a job the unemployment rate goes UP not down. Seattle’s Went DOWN a full percentage point

      • R. Eilers

        Per your own article lol. we changed the word “elaborate” to “didn’t mention” for the sake of clarity, and noted that Anthony Anton is also a lobbyist against the minimum wage increase. Statewide, Anthony Anton, president and CEO of Washington Restaurant Association and anti-minimum wage lobbyist, says that each year in Washington, 17 percent of restaurants go out of business or change hands. In Seattle, with approximately 2,300 restaurants, that translates to approximately 400 closures or sells expected—“in a good year,” Anton says.

      • R. Eilers
  • cutterguy

    minimum wage laws are a farce. they have never accomplished what liberals try to make us believe. minimum wage laws are about more taxes collected, plain and simple. just like increases in utilities are about collecting more taxes.

  • Merlin

    Good, well paying jobs should be hard to find. Then you will appreciate them.

  • BJM2

    This story is a twisted version of the truth. The truth is bad also and makes no sense, but I am not going to waste my time explaining the whole truth because on this website, no one is interested in the real truth, just the Republican version of it. Note – I disagreed without using vile, insulting names.

  • paulrod

    It amuses the hell out of me that they don’t get that the only ones to benefit are the union bosses, who will receive more money by way of union dues that go up along with the wages. The people who are getting the minimum wage are asking for a “living wage”. OK, but , when you go to the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread, the min-wager assisting the baker is also getting his $15 an hour so the baker has to raise the price of that loaf of bread. Same thing happens in the store. That stocker, or bag boy or cashier has to get paid HIS new minimum wage, so the store has to raise the shelf price of that loaf. Same with the Laundromat, same with the clothing store, same with EVERYBODY. Result? That price of bread, milk, and everything else, goes up, and you’re just as poor with bigger numbers in your paycheck. In which case, somebody will say, “Hey, we can’t make it on $15 an hour, we need a living wage. We need $22 an hour”…. and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on………

    • ARJAY

      They can’t understand what you are saying. You are using true FACTS and they can NOT process actual true facts!!

  • paulrod

    Here’s another thought: You want to make some liberals head explode when they tell you how to save the world? Just ask, “and then what?” And, if they answer, ask it again, and again, and make them carry their thought to its logical conclusion. Sooner or later, they’ll see the end result, and it won’t be pretty to watch……

    • ARJAY

      But they STILL won’t get it! They do NOT hear or comprehend what they themselves actually say!!

      • Candice Hiler

        Juxtaprogressives…full of nonsense and nothing more.

        • ARJAY

          Well, they are full of THEMSELVES, too!

          • Candice Hiler

            Yup, sorry…that, too!!

    • bitterclinger

      Most of those fools truly believe that there will be utopia if they follow thier marxist agenda through to conclusion. The fact that it fails everywhere it is tried, and is responsible for more deaths than any other system doesn’t seem to ever sink in for them.

  • Name

    You people are so dumbed down by fox noise, the 1%, the repukes, you don’t have a chance!

    • Candice Hiler

      And you are so dumbed down by the ideology of the left that you apparently believe that the light switch can be on and off at the same time.

  • ARJAY

    Do NOT cut their hours by so much as a minute! THEY DEMANDED the $15.00 per hour minimum, MAKE THEM LIVE BY WHAT THEY DEMANDED AND GOT! I thought they wanted to get more money so they could LIVE ON IT!!

    These IDIOTS have now idea how much their employer pays for their jobs. The employer pays more than JUST the $15.00 HOURLY WAGE!! They have TAXES they have to pay for EVERY employee they have. THOSE taxes do not show up on the pay stub that the employee gets.

    Just a couple or so, for example: the OTHER half of the social security tax, unemployment tax ON EVERY employee, oblamo “health care” premiums OR penalty (if they don’t cover them). EXTRA costs of TRAINING new employees. I’m sure business owners can add a few more EMPLOYEE RELATED COSTS that I have not listed here!

    OH, and it will be REALLY FUNNY when the tax deadline comes along and they find that THEY MADE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY INCOME TAX FOR THE FIRST TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Now THAT’S going to be really funny!

  • A little common sense would have gone a long ways. When you artificially give a wage hike, one of three things is going to happen in most cases all three. (1) jobs will be cut. (2) hours will be reduced. (3) work load will increase. You need a change of leadership with conservative ideas.

    • Allen Burt

      This is EXACTLY what has happened at our local Walmart,
      and I mean EXACTLY 1, 2 and 3!
      Perfect Post!

  • Counterproductive

    The Employment and Income Effects of Raising America’s
    Minimum Wage to $12 and to $15 per Hour

    Douglas Holtz-Eakin, American Action Forum
    Ben Gitis, American Action Forum
    Manhattan Institute.

    Foreword

    By eliminating jobs and/or reducing employment growth, economists have long understood that adoption of a higher minimum wage can harm the very poor who are intended to be helped. Nonetheless, a political drumbeat of proposals—including from the White House—now calls for an increase in the $7.25 minimum wage to levels as high as $15 per hour.

    Such demands assume that the additional income for lower-income households would come from flush firms or wealthy households. But this groundbreaking paper by Douglas Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum and former director of the Congressional Budget Office, and Ben Gitis, director of labor-market policy at the American Action Forum, comes to a strikingly different conclusion: not only would overall employment growth be lower as a result of a higher minimum wage, but much of the increase in income that would result for those fortunate enough to have jobs would go to relatively higher-income households—not to those households in poverty in whose name the campaign for a higher minimum wage is being waged.

    Specifically, using time-tested modeling techniques, such as those that Holtz-Eakin used while at the CBO, the authors found that a $15-per-hour minimum wage could mean the loss of 6.6 million jobs. What’s more, despite the fact that there would be some Americans whose wages would be lifted by a higher minimum wage, the effect on the poor would be minimal—of the increase in income for low-wage workers, only 6.7 percent would go to families in poverty. In other words, this is reverse–Robin Hoodism: taking jobs and income from the poorest to give to those who are better-off. The wealthy, whom demagogues now attack, would be untouched.

    As the minimum-wage debate proceeds, it’s important to keep in mind that work itself benefits those of modest means. The first job, even at relatively low pay, provides that first step on the ladder of upward mobility. Eliminating those rungs on the ladder threatens the future of workers who are starting out today. There are far better ways—including the Earned Income Tax Credit, targeted wage supplements, and, of course, a more effective public-education system—to assist low-income Americans and to make work pay, while not reducing job growth. As this paper makes clear, the poor cannot afford counterproductive initiatives advanced in their name but harmful to their lives.

    Lawrence Mone
    President, Manhattan Institute for Policy Research
    […]
    http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ib_36.htm