Proof that Liberals Literally Cannot Understand Politics with the Same Depth You Do

liberal-conservative1With another presidential election on the way, the divide between the political parties, and between conservatives and liberals, is widening. Surely it would be good if we could find a way to talk to each other more productively, and find some common ground. Perhaps a recent study can help bring us closer together.

According to IJReview:

A social psychologist named Jonathan Haidt has spent the bulk of his career trying to figure out what motivates both conservatives and liberals. He’s uncovered some interesting points, which have been published in a book called “The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion.”

According to Haidt’s research, there are five things people care about:

1. Avoidance of harm
2. Fairness
3. Loyalty
4. Authority
5. Sanctity

Conservatives care about all five in equal measure and liberals care about only the first two. Here is a quote from the book, as transcribed by The American Conservative:

“It’s as though conservatives can hear five octaves of music, but liberals respond to just two, within which they have become particularly discerning.”

There is also a sixth term, which both sides care about in equal measure: liberty. However, conservatives and liberals see the word as meaning two completely different things, according to the author.

Conservatives tend to view liberty as the notion of being left alone to pursue happiness in whatever way they choose. Liberals tend to view it as the act of creating a level playing field for society’s most vulnerable individuals.

A number of other studies have also concluded that conservatives and liberals are fundamentally different in their personalities, as well as their political points of view.

In a recent paper published on the subject, scientist John Jost says there is evidence from laboratories all over the world, utilizing different methodologies, leading to the “virtually inescapable conclusion that the cognitive-motivational styles of leftists and rightists are quite different.”

Haidt’s research did uncover a significant area of commonality between conservatives and liberals, however. We both like our dogs to be clean. It’s a place to start.

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  • djw663

    Now if Liberals or Libertarian’s could be open enough to understand?

    • Ray jones

      you a republicrat

    • Ray jones

      or are you a demipublican?

    • used_to_be_a_liberal

      There is a big difference between a libertarian, and a “liberal” To start with a Libertarian is extremely insulated when classified as being in the “liberal’ tank. Nothing could be further from the truth. Libertarians are far more in the conservative camp, then you may think. A Libertarian believes in Liberty as set out in the Constitution. A “liberal” wants the Constitution basically done away with, as there is nothing Liberal about a “liberal” A Libertarian will fight for the Constitution in any way that becomes necessary.
      Isn’t it odd that the so called “liberal” in the oval office, and his band of minions would like nothing better then to rid themselves of that obstructionist document, known as The Constitution of the United States of America. Which is by the way possibly the most Liberal Document ever written. Liberal in the sense of Liberty, Freedoms, Rights, and Privileges. A document that has been feared by foreign governments since it’s inception, a document that has made the U S A, and it’s citizens exceptional, a word/phrase that Obama doesn’t like, and “liberals” feel guilty about.
      There is no such thing as a Libertarian “liberal” the two don’t mix. Libertarians do understand, they understand all too well. Cruz, Carson, Rubio, and that other guy from Wisconsin = good. Rand Paul not so much. Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, no-way. Huckabee is not presidential material for a variety of reasons. Further I believe that he is in their as a shill, to make things more difficult for Cruz.
      There were many infamous “liberals” and “liberals” go nuts when they are told that Hitler, and his National Socialist Democrat Party of Germany was “liberal” They really get upset when it is pointed out to them, that everyone of their so-called progressive ideas, came out of pre World War 2 Germany, mostly under Hitler. There is plenty to back that up, just research it. Oh, and can’t forget Stalin, Lenin, Marx, and a number of others. Some were called communists, others Fascists, but no matter, it all came down to the same thing, “liberal” The word Liberal has become an oxymoron, and unfortunately most people who ride the so-called “liberal” band-wagon, do so, because they have been led to think that ‘liberal” means Liberal, when it means no such thing.

      • djw663

        I am well aware of the differences between a Liberal, a Libertarian, Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Communist, Fascist, etc… and from every encounter from a so called Libertarian they are totally different yet can be just as dangerous. Hence the reason you say Rand Paul not so much, so what do you think of Ron’s views? I agree with Cruz, Carson, Walker (Wisconsin), Rubio I don’t think is trustworthy. I also agree with the rest of your assessments of the potential candidates. Every aspect of Rules for Radicals has been perpetrated by so called “Democrats” which has been overrun with all the other ism’s you stated all most deem synonymous with Liberal just a the Republican Party has been infiltrated by Democrats and some of their other ilk, we call them RINO’s, the integrity of the institution has been perverted. And Obama seems more like a Communist than a Liberal although he seems to use the same techniques and tactics, a complete narcissist and of the worst kind since, like Hitler, he truly believes he is right. Hitler was praised and admired at every turn before “it” started.
        Why would you pretend to imagine the Constitution is the most Liberal document ever written? Your perception of that aspect of the Liberal point of view about the Constitution seems tainted by the koolaid that might still be in your system. I am NOT trying to pick a fight by the way. The Liberals I have talked with over the past decade, in forums such as this, are some of the most vile, closed minded, oppressive, angry people I have ever tried to communicate with. Liberals preach the things you say, all the while oppressing those that do not agree with their perception. I think the reason Liberals get so angry when compared to Hitler is because it hits too close to home. You say you used to be a Liberal and you are ??? now? I am primarily fiscally and Socially Conservative, but I also have some Republican and in some aspects even Libertarian views. I’m a fan of Rand and the fights he has won but I don’t want him as our President. I like a Cruz/Carson ticket. Walker is a huge success. Rubio as VP not POTUS. I would like to see Gowdy AG. I bet if we talked more I would bet many of the ism’s aren’t really that far apart, most people are just too closed minded to explore or try.

        • used_to_be_a_liberal

          I agree, I believe we are closer then far apart. You asked why I think the Constitution is a Liberal document. I believe it is, in the sense of Liberty, Freedoms, Rights, and Privileges. In the true meaning of the word/term Liberal. By no means does it apply to today’s definition of “liberal” which I believe has been bastardized. If I had to place myself into some category I think that it would be how you placed yourself. I agree 100% with you on Gowdy, and have the same perception on Rand Paul, and Rubio, as you do. A Cruz/Carson Ticket would be phenomenal. We might have some minor differences on the road taken, but the end destination would end up being the same.

          • djw663

            Amen!

  • ABBAsFernando

    Communist puppet masters call their gullible followers USEFUL IDIOTS for a reason. THEY ARE!

  • Ray jones

    the system is broken we have to get rid of the demipublicans and the republicrats because they are one very unhappy party…..

  • jdbixii

    The lesson of the “freedom of choice” is found in the consequences of the alternatives of choice. It has been this truth since the Garden of Eden. Being liberal about it may seem compassionate and the according of unmerited favor to those who persistently make the wrong choice is, obviously, a politically-correct thing to do. It does nothing for people in the long-term to correct their behavior or eliminate the cost to them and to society for the consequences of the wrong choices which they make. There is nothing new with respect to human behavior which requires a “new approach” in dealing with it. All the problems that are present in society today have been experienced throughout history. The first thing people care about is “Avoidance of Harm,” according to the article. The most important factor in the avoidance of harm is obedience to the law. Scripture says, “To obey is better than sacrifice.” That is, sacrifice results when obedience is not rendered. There can be no just system of reward and punishment without elements of obedience and sacrifice. It is a principle of life. Liberalism would attempt to do away with this concept. “Dung (euphemism for expletive omitted) happens,” does not take into consideration “fairness” or “sanctity” with respect to life.
    The history of authority is that it, generally, demands “loyalty.”
    One would think that the utter hypocrisy of liberalism would have doomed it long before now. Unfortunately, the essence of human nature is such that the opportunities to represent it, for reward and the promise of the omission of punishment, have kept liberalism alive and well amidst the culture of death for which it is largely responsible. It is a paradox negating all five things that people really care about.

  • Hgeyer

    Laughing my butt off! Liberals don’t understand? This coming from a group of idiots that STILL think our president is a Muslim and wasn’t born in Hawaii! Keep thinking those delusional thoughts and liberals will stay in the White House!

    • Rod S.

      He is, and he wasn’t!

      • Hgeyer

        The checks in the mail….. the moon is made of cheese….. and republicans will win the White House in 2016….. oh yes, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction….. some more of the lies that conservatives lives revolve around….. Like I said, Laughing my butt off!

        • TG80905

          Hgeyer

          There were WND’s in Iraq and they went to Syria and Iran there just weren’t nukes. Biological’s are as dangerous and way cheaper. Much easier to deploy and harder to detect …. but you keep telling yourself that everythings ok …… the world loves to take advantage of the opportunities presented by people with world views such as yours

          • Hgeyer

            And the moon WAS made out of cheese but someone moved it all to Mars and left rocks in it place when we went there…. politicians love to take advantage of people with a faith based education like yours instead of a fact based education that actually uses SCIENCE and REALITY to base their decisions….

          • TG80905

            So you’re one of those pseudo-intellectuals I keep hearing about. Climate scientist perhaps? One of those scholarly souls peddling established science.

            So exactly how does the friction generated from the capsules trajectory through the asteroid and Van Allen radiation belts to Ceres interrelate with the capsules we crashed into Mars to release the remote controlled rovers on Mars to cause the 1 degree temperature increase on Jupiter?

            I mean you with the firm grasp of the universe around us because you read books assigned by a professor are just so much brighter than I. After all photographs, intelligence briefs, eye witness accounts and physical possession of one of the mobile baby food manufacturing labs doesn’t compare to the academic acumen you bring to the table.

            Oh learned one how come the sun has no impact on the temperature and weather patterns of planet earth?

            One with the most awesome applied theoretical knowledge of all things how does not being vaccinated put the 97.9% vaccinated population at risk for a disease we claim to have eradicated?

          • Hgeyer

            If I need to answer a question about physics I would ask someone that is educated in that field. I would not go back to school and get a degree in physics. If I went to a brain surgeon and he said I need brain surgery I would ask another brain surgeon for another opinion! If 99 of a hundred brain surgeons I asked said I needed the surgery I would NOT go with the minority opinion! Therefore I have made the “leap of faith” to agree with 99.2% of the climate scientists in the entire world that believe that man made climate change is real and needs to be addressed. Siding with the .8% (that typically work for carbon producers) is just plain ignorant. Who said that the sun has no impact on the temperature and weather patterns of the world? Nobody that I know of has made any such claim…. And finally it is NOT the 97.9 percent of the population that is at risk. It’s the youngest and most fragile in our population that are being put at risk. Those that are too young for vaccinations and those with a compromised immune systems. They are also the ones that are most likely to die from these diseases. I realize that conservatives don’t really care about other people but someone should…

          • jackieray

            3 scientists applied for a grant to study climet change they were each ask one question what is 2 and 2 the first scientists said 4, the 2nd scientists said it could be 4 or 22 or even 20 the 3rd scientist said how much do you want it to be? Guess which one got the Grant

          • Hgeyer

            If the grant was from an oil company I KNOW which one they hired….. Luckily most of them have some integrity!

          • TG80905

            That’s where you and I differ. I do go pull out the books and develop a subject matter level of expertise …. it is the only way to know if the professional opinion you are receiving has any value

            Occasionally you will find that my approach puts you in the drivers seat. The statement “I am not the expert therefore I expect you to know more about this than I do” can produce amazing results particularly if part of your assignment is culture shift.

            Would I ever operate on my own head … no …. but I can sew myself up

          • Hgeyer

            Sorry but “I have a four year degree and do this for a living” trumps “I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night” especially when 99 out of a hundred with the degree say you are wrong……

          • TG80905

            So you missed the Duke University …. most comprehensive climate modeling yet using 1000 years of historic data study…. You have a new creature at play in the climate science lexicon. It’s called Climate wiggles and a climate wiggle is a period of time where the planets surface temperature steps out of phase. They kind of line up with solar cycles.

            You also missed the data discrepancy that has surfaced with the NASA climate monitoring network. It’s out there all by itself and there’s a very strong possibility (Jet Propulsion Lab phrasing not mine) that over adjusted data sets may have skewed the results to reflect conditions that do not exist.

            I expect you to stay married to the settled science though. It will look good sitting there between the earth is flat and black people lack the mental faculties remnants of settled sience

          • Hgeyer

            So, I guess you missed the part of the Duke University study that said, ““This doesn’t mean greenhouse gases aren’t causing Earth’s atmosphere to warm up in the long run,” Brown emphasized. “It just means the road to a warmer world may be bumpier and less predictable, with more decade-to-decade temperature wiggles than expected.” Even the study that climate change deniers stand by say the same thing, “GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL” Do you know that the people that are supporting and pushing YOUR side of the story are the same people that told us for years how “SAFE” smoking cigarettes was? The Koch Brothers have hired them to tell you how “SAFE” all this carbon pollution is! Duke university also said that, “Rush Limbaugh grossly distorted a new study from Duke University, claiming it shows that “there isn’t any [global] warming going on.” But one of its authors noted that the study actually confirms humans’ role in driving global warming and said that Limbaugh’s claim is “ridiculous.” “

          • TG80905

            Never said climate change wasn’t real. It is a geologic cycle that cannot be measured in chronologic time.

            Now man made climate change is a complete crock of sh*t. The very definition of junk science ….. complete with the trade mark feature of all such wacky claims “the science is settled”. Real scientist don’t use that phrase because it conflicts with the definition of science. That’s why I can pull outlandish debunked claims at will …. their point of commonality is the assertion that the science is settled.

            Can you explain the manipulated data sets and why only the NASA monitoring system is still reflecting extreme temperature shifts? ALL of the other temperature data collection systems are reflecting a 30 year solar cycle corrolation

          • Hgeyer

            So you don’t believe the Duke University study that YOU brought up to defend your position? Typical denier…..

          • TG80905

            I believe they had problems making the temperature records match what they expected to find. I believe what they call climate wiggles are are indicative of a flawed premise. I believe they are trying to adjust the data to support the hypothesis.

            I question the reliability of the thousand year old data set, because temperature records tended to be kept in the cold and snowing to very hot level of detail

            I wonder why the 13 active volcanoes spewing hydrocarbons, particulates, and greenhouse gases into the atmosphere are not factored in to the equation. This number fluctuates and emissions are tied to subterranean variables like tectonic plate shift that is shaking the crap out of Nepal right now. These gases and vapor can be ejected at extremely high temperatures (pyroclastic flow) and will cause regional variations as measured in chronologic time.

            I reject the theory that geologic events can be tracked, predicted, impacted by factors that constitute nano-nano seconds on the geologic clock and that the smoke stack on a fossil fuel power plant has significantly more impact on the planet than volcanic emissions do.

            I reject the theory that solar activity such as mass coronal ejections have no impact on the temperature of planet earth.I have data sets that correlate to an exact fit to the climate graphs. The reports they come from have nothing to do with climate studies (unbiased raw data).

            I side with the more than 30,000 meteorologists, oceanographers, astronomers, astrophysicists, physicists and engineers from a myriad of disciplines (all fields of study with more structure than the field of climate science which is in it’s infancy) because the claims being made are preposterous, based on modeling that violates almost every rule for statistical modeling. Not one cataclysmic event predicted using climate science modelling have even come close to being true ….. i.e. polar ice caps completely melted by 2014 and 2014 arrives on schedule but produces a record level of ice mass. Claims of sea rise cannot be verified by geospatial sensing, LIDAR, or differential leveling …. which means it’s not happening

            But continue to drink the kool-aide …. ignore the fact that higher concentrations of CO2 produce more abundant crop yields and more temperate climates ….. which increases the quantity of available arable land for crop production

          • Hgeyer

            So how long have you worked for the Koch brothers? You have done a great job of parroting all their talking points! You sound like you have it down! Do you smoke too? Cigarettes are perfectly safe and have NO health related issues either! I trust you don’t live anywhere near sea level. If you do maybe the Koch’s can pay for your relocation to future beach front property on higher ground……..

          • TG80905

            Why is it so difficult for you to believe that their are people in this world capable of formulating their own ideas? I’ve never met a Koch Brother ….. wan’t aware of them at all until the liberal media started to moan about them ….. that’s when I discovered their counter part George Soros

            There have always been wealthy people. They drive the economic engine. With out the rich there would be a whole lot more poor. However I do not have the luxury of dwelling on what I don’t have and blaming others for it.

            I have a wide range of interests, an inquisitive mind, exceptional recall and I test off the charts. I used to think everyone could do what I do because this sh*t is so easy for me. I’m a blue collar guy with over 500,000 miles on two wheels. I’m very accustomed to people assuming I’m not very bright. I have an eclectic set of acquaintances many of whom have post doc’s. They constantly tell me I should go back to school.

            I learn things because I want to know; not to impress people or collect wall ornaments. Organized education is perhaps the most closed minded community there is …. all knowledge stopped when they got their PhD.

            I prefer being able to recall any one of the 30,000 or so books that I’ve read this far in my life. I have an incredible range of achievements in my tool box of life experiences and very few of them were objectives. I helped Trimble Navigation develop RTK because I happened to have 4 of the first 100 dual frequency post processing receivers. We shared data ….. RTK sucked in the beginning …… I learned haw to calculate satellite constellations because having the guys in Sunnyvale do it took three weeks and I had a job to do. I know how to build a GIS because I was using ArcInfo 1 and ESRI was still a small environmental consulting firm with a z coordinate algorithm. Doesn’t change the fact that I know more about the nuts and bolts of geospatial data collection and application than you will ever know. The wrong guy in the right place …. I hate suits and despise offices and I can’t forget …. I’ve tried ….

            It doesn’t change the fact that climate change as it is being peddled to the world is a crock of ……. there are way to many scientific disciplines that have to be invalidated for it to even enter the realm of possibility

  • pmbalele

    I
    have never seen primitive people like TPs and Repubs. That is why they voted for Walker in last year. When gas prices were $3.98 TPs and Repubs blamed who -President Obama. Now gas prices are $1.68 gal TPs and Repubs are telling us it is supply and demand. When unemployment was 8.9% -Stupid TPs and Repubs accepted the report as true and blamed Obama. But now unemployment is down to 5.5% the same stupid TPs are saying the report is a lie. When private insurance premiums were jumping at 25% a year they blamed President Obama. Now with Obamacare insurance premiums went up only by 5%; the same TPs are whining that insurance companies are losing money. When Bin Laden, Yemen guy and Benghazi guys were on the loose, TPs and Repubs blamed President Obama for inaction. But now these morons are decommissioned, the same TPs and Repubs say military did it-not Obama. They forget President Obama is the Commander-in-Chief who authorized their capture. As a whole I believe TPs and Repubs are primitive people living in advanced country

    • Joseph Wonderless

      GO BACK TO YOUR POT SMOKING, ACID DROPPING LIFESTYLE.

    • Rod S.

      Do U not ever watch the D’N NEWS, or try to keep up with the world! The reason why GAS, come down, was to hurt Russia. Russia depends on the sale of petro, for the biggest part of the countries income, and by dropping the price, hurts there income. Obama didn’t help, to have it done, for the good of America, U can bet your butt on that. U fit this article perfect, here your SIGN!

      • Mort

        The price of oil is set by supply and demand in the world market and no president has much control. When the price goes up its not his (or her) fault and when it goes down he or she should get little credit.

        • TG80905

          THE PRICE OF OIL IS SET BY THE HOUSE OF SAUD AND HAS BEEN SINCE 1971 WITH THE BIRTH OF OPEC AND THE PETRO DOLLAR

          The prices are where they are because it hurts Iran not Russia. Due to embargo’s that have been in place since 1979 Iran needs a barrel price of at least $75. That’s the break even price due to the old inefficient equipment. Saudi Arabia doesn’t want Iran to regain it;s regional power status. It’s also driving air strikes in Yemmen.

          They also aren’t real happy about our shale oil operations. That payback along with what’s due to Obama’s efforts to create a nuclear Iran is coming on October 20th

          A year ago supply and demand set the market. Today it’s politics …. other than creating the pissed off factor the US doesn’t have anything to do with it. Of course the pissed off factor is building interest

          • Mort

            I can watch the price of oil fluctuate, minute to minute, as it trades on the mercantile exchange. Saying OPEC or Saudi Arabia sets the price is misleading.

          • TG80905

            You obviously did not experience the physical fuel shortages of the 1970’s …… product can not be available independent of willingness and ability to pay.

            The house of saud said gentlemen turn off the pumps and OPEC did (The United States played a huge role in establishing that confederation) and we were completely blindsided …. the collective psyche took a major hit

            When you control the supply chain you control the price. If there is something important to you ….like keeping Iran in an economically challenged state you suck it up and take the loss because there’s a big picture that operates well outside the laws of supply and demand

      • pmbalele

        Did you not read what I posted today? I said it really puzzles me that we still have educated people such as lawyers; federal district and appellate judges and other government officials who think Blacks are intellectually inferior that they
        should not be hired in certain jobs. I was in court when one day I heard a Wisconsin government lawyer testify that however high a Black man scores on exam, he is still not qualified for the job. Luckily, the judge presiding the case stopped her from puking more garbage. Another white government lawyer said: “We can hurt Blacks and nothing can be done to us as Whites.” This lawyer did not know I was in the room. The two government lawyers have now been fired. But these are icebergs; we may have more rotten Wisconsin government employees and lawyers there. I have asked people to read the 7th circuit decisions by Repub appointed judges. On several cases these judges have ruled that calling a Black man the “N” word is not offensive. See 7th circuit decision in Case No. 13-2893. Now how can racism end if those who are supposed to stop it enable and encourage racism? I have asked all Repub appointed circuit judges at the 7th Circuit to resign or retire. I believe their training, experience do not match the jobs they were appointed to serve.

    • DogWithoutSlippers

      Your ratio of comments to votes speaks for itself, idiot!~

    • Mys77

      Primitive? Gas prices $1.68? Unemployment 5%? What kind of drugs are you taking? Unbelievably stupid comment…every word of it. Thanks so much for proving liberal demoncrats are truely backwards, twisted, and upside down in every aspect of life.

      • pmbalele

        Yes Repubs and TPs are primitive. Look, they wanted President Obama to send ground troops to Iraq-for what? TPs and Repubs in Congress did not have answer. Now you see countries around Iraq are participating in killing ISIS. Who is winning the war in Iraq now? President Obama.

        • jackieray

          actuly Iran is leading Iraq in the war agenst ISIS

          • pmbalele

            So let those nations under ISIS threat do the job. This country soldiers show be consultant to countries around Iraq. We have our own problems here; why should we solve other people’s problems and threats?

        • Mys77

          You are crazy if you believe the crap you posted. Absolutely nuts.

    • mac12sam12

      Unemployment is 11.3% using the U6 method, counting those that have given up looking for employment. Healthcare has gone up more than 5% because of the preexisting condition clause. The ACA is also a ripoff for the middle class who will pay for the healthcare of the poor, the plans are expensive and have $6000-$10,000 copays and deductibles before the insurance even kicks in, the ACA is also very unpopular in the polls. What president wouldn’t have authorized the killing of UBL? That was a no brainer, Gruber.

      • pmbalele

        You are a liar, racist and a bigot. You have been raised to believe that Blacks cannot govern. Polls today are saying people love Obamacare 60%; 22% against and 18% no opinion. Do not listen to Gruber. He was left out of a job and went around ranting he lied to American people.

        • mac12sam12

          Liar, racist and bigot? LOL! You are the typical emotional liberal, guess i better get my goggles so I don’t get my eyes scratched out! Your poll figures are incorrect. I know two people who went to the exchange, my cousin the electrician and the lawyer who lives next door. They pay $450 a month with $6000 copays and deductibles. Meanwhile Jose and his six anchor babies go to the ER for free healthcare. Gruber said that if people really knew what the ACA was about, it would be rejected. 25% of doctors won’t participate because it only pays 60% of the bill. They will go cash only. Gruber told the truth, Gruber.

          • pmbalele

            Did you say 25% of doctors won’t participate? Let them go to Russia or China. Those doctors are lying to you. They are making more money than before because there are more patients now than before. Please do not lie again.

          • mac12sam12

            A top cardio vascular surgeon lives next door to me, he makes $500,000+ a year and he’s just like the rest of us. Mortgage, property taxes car payments etc. He also has a special needs child. When a doctor graduates in his 30’s, all his friends are established in their careers, plus they have hundred of thousands of dollars to pay off in school loans and the cost of starting his business. The really rich doctors I’m told are the plastic surgeons. Those doctors who won’t participate in the ACA don’t have to go to Russia or China, they can go cash only right here in the US. We already have a doctor shortage and it will get worse, just wait.

        • Mys77

          You are completely nuts. Not one thing, not one comment you have posted is even close to the “reality” happening because of disgusting liberals and the stench BO spreads. Thanks to zombies like yourself you lap it up, lick it and swallow, then push it out and spread in your posts. Thats exactly where you can take your views….now flush.

  • R. Eilers

    I just read the same story a couple years ago although the words liberal and conservative were switched.

  • TG80905

    I wonder if the liberals are going to extend the same level of deference to the conservatives as they have to the same sex marriage gang. We feel all 5 levels of political thinking to their two … so quite obviously we are more sensitive?The conservative definition of liberty demonstrates damaged we must be by their constant ridicule…. how else do you explain this desire to be left alone? Perhaps it will be our turn to win in the game of compromise. ……

    My apologies, I drifted for a second…. I thought avoidance of harm might apply to the unraveling of the social fabric of this nation ….I was using my conservative definition of avoiding harm ….The liberals see it as the pathway to fairness …….What we need is a common set of definitions

    After all 2 out of 5 is 40% a passing grade for K-12 public education

    • Mo

      That must have been a terrible public school. The public school I was taught in 40% score was a ‘FAILING GRADE”!

      • TG80905

        When I went to school the cut off an F was 80% or wrong 1 out of 5 times. Then it was 75% (1 out of 4) When my oldest started school 22 years ago the standard was 60% and they stopped using ABC for the grading system. Now my grandson has x (excels) p (proficient) pp (partially proficient) and n (needs to improve 40%). It is a district wide grading system. Of course today we deplore outstanding performance because it damages the self esteem of others. We have participation trophy’s because there are no winners only losers.

        Just because people have academic pedigrees doesn’t mean they know what they are doing. Open your eyes and look around….. we don’t have the common sense to come in out of the rain. We drink the kool-aide passed out by guy’s in white lab coats that say the sun has nothing to do with temperature on the planet.

        We believe the jobs reports that are always revised down. Unemployment is going up because they made the pie significantly smaller. Use the baseline jobs numbers from 1999 ….. the jobs went overseas …. but the people didn’t. Government invents the statistics it wants and interprets them how they want …… and we still believe them

        • Mo

          Some
          of us know that we are being lied to but there are way more who believe
          everything that comes out of the Government sound machine. Personally I haven’t
          really believed what they’ve had to say since the late eighties even though I
          had voted for a couple of the men who occupied the WH since then. No matter
          which side occupies the office, each twists the information to their way of
          thinking.

          • TG80905

            You are so right …. 320,000,000 people and only two points of view both of which serve the bureaucracy. The NSA didn’t magically wake up one day with the ability to spy on every citizen in this country. The Demicans and Reublicrats share the blame equally. Both approved the budgets, and allowed the NSA to have a black budget. Both have grown the size of government at every opportunity …. the just dress the pig differently.Both sides have allowed the laws to be written by government bureaucracies and shoved down our throats as rules and regulations.

            Government agencies didn’t have that authority until Nixon went on an agency creation spree. Prior to 1968 the ability to promulgate rules and regulations applied to the internal operation of the organization.All laws affecting the American People were debated in Congress

            Nixon also gave us the “governments budget must grow by the rate of inflation every year” model. The Demican’s and Republicrat’s have been so united in their need to perpetuate his legacy they didn’t even have to talk about it. They have grown the public sector (Federal, State, Local., and Special Districts) so that it is now 51% of the workforce

            Now they are moving to get rid of cash. Digital money is the only way they can keep the balloon from popping. It has almost nothing to do with social security cause that shortfall is chump change when compared to the public sector pension obligations.We the people get scraps and the typical retiring federal employee is going out the door with high five digit/low six digit paychecks for life …. with cost of living increases and free healthcare that is way above the Obamacare the serfs get.

          • TG80905

            Exactly, maybe it’s because I’m a product of the last generation that had to do everything with a pencil and we had to know how to think because he technology crutch didn’t exist. We had to be able to identify BS and data manipulation or we’d never get the right answer.

            I peg the year we took the wrong fork in the road at 1971

            I grew up in a world that that bench marked its value system off of the moral absolutes of right and wrong. Laws could be general and just because something was legal didn’t make it the right thing to do. Our society was courteous, we trusted our neighbors, believed in self reliance, and were optimistic about our future

            Our economy was based on industrial and manufacturing production capacity. Over 94% of consumer products sold in this country were made in America from parts that were made in America. We operated on a cash system and abhorred debt of any kind. The United States of America enjoyed the highest standard of living in the history of mankind. There was a large stable middle class.

            Our schools offered two career paths (1) college prep for the 25 to 30% that were going on to higher education and (2) vocational training where you learned functional skills that made you job ready at graduation. Grades were in an ABCF format; teachers had subject matter expertise in the classes they taught; tests were taken immediately after the phrase “put your books under your desk” and the concept of opting out of a test was unthinkable. Both educational tracks afforded the opportunity of a comfortable living where you could own a home, raise a family, buy two cars, and enjoy an annual family vacation.

            Less than 40 years later I live in a completely different universe.

            The world benchmarks off of the malleable concepts of legal and illegal. Gone is the black and white, replaced by 1000 shades of grey. Laws are specific and written to address the exception. Our society is surly and uncouth, we distrust everybody, we believe in entitlement, and dependency, we are pessimistic about our future

            We have gone from the largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation on earth. Our economy is based on brokering information and providing consumer services. Approximately 90% of our consumer goods are imported. We assemble in America using foreign parts. The annual trade deficit exceeds 6.5 trillion dollars. We make our purchases with credit cards(debt). Our standard of living is based on minimum monthly payments. Wealth is achieved through leveraged debt. Our standard of living is in decline and our children are expected to do worse than we have. The middle class has virtually disappeared.Good jobs are hard to find. We have an income gap between the bottom and the top that is skyrocketing .

            Our education system provides only one path. Everybody is expected to go on to college. Our children have no job skills at graduation, Vocational education requires attendance at a Community College. Grades now come in an x, p, pp, n format. Our teachers are not expected to have subject matter expertise, but are required to be certified in educational processes. The classroom curriculum is designed around tests; test dates are fixed on the calendar, our children are encouraged to opt out or not attend school on test day.

            Almost everybody has a college degree; most of which have no practical value in the workplace. Our children are saddled with staggering educational debt and their prospects for home ownership is bleak. We are technology dependent and virtually devoid of critical thinking skills.

            This is so far beyond someone asleep at the switch. Swings of this magnitude in this short of a space of time defies the laws of probability. The media, our government and our elected officials blame almost everything on bad weather. We exist in a perpetual state of war. Our government accidentally developed the ability to monitor the communications of every citizen; there are surveillance camera’s everywhere.

            Traditional values are reviled. Religious belief is restricted, morality is considered judgmental and discriminatory, everybody is a victim, there are never enough police, The only people that are doing better economically work for the government.

            We believe in absurdities …… 320,000,000 people and only two points of view

        • Mort

          Where did you go to school? When I started, about 75 years ago, below 60 was an F, 60-70 was a D, etc.
          We have and always should encourage outstanding performance and there is no reason it should be a put down to those with less academic ability. I spent a lot of time helping friends with homework. It helped me learn the stuff better and didn’t make my buddies feel a bit inferior. It’s the schools job to help each kid feel good about themselves and feel secure enough to try and do their best. The special Olympics are a wonderful example of how we can make the most challenged feel good about themselves. Everyone can be winners and I’m sorry you feel there are only losers.

          • TG80905

            I attended a parochial school that had over 1000 people on the waiting list. If you didn’t perform you were gone. An entrance test was required, if you couldn’t cut it you didn’t get in

            My first shot at the SAT was a 1360 and my father went ballistic …. my 1530 didn’t please him either …. My ACT was perfect ….. I didn’t realize 36 was perfect and a composite of 40 was perfect …… I looked at those numbers and saw out of 100

            I was sitting there with he guidance Councilor insisting I could do better completely misinterpreting the “I’ve never seen scores like this” and “it’s not possible” he kept uttering

  • Joseph Wonderless

    I spent most of my life as a liberal until I grew up, LIBERALS are the biggest joke of all times. You morons talk about Avoidance of harm, but you want to deliberately murder unborn human babies inside the mothers womb, while at the same time protect the unborn lower species of life claiming that it has a right to live too. LIBERALS ARE NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF BRAIN DEAD DRUG INDUCED TREE HUGING IDIOTS. You people make me laugh with your lack of intelligent reasoning..

    • CommonSense4America

      Not only are they pro choice and for abortion, but against the death penalty for convicted mass murderers. Go figure.

      • Mort

        You don’t see any conflict between protecting the life of an unborn fetus but taking the life of a living person. Remember, not all those that are convicted of a crime are really guilty due to our rather imperfect criminal system.

        • ARJAY

          So you’re saying that convicted coldblooded (mass)murderers deserve to live, but INNOCENT unborn deserve to die?!

          EVERY abortion KILLS an INNOCENT. Almost ALL CONVICTED murderers avoid the DEATH PENALTY, that is, THEY ARE NOT PUT TO DEATH, even when the death penalty is the sentence!

          • Mort

            You are missing the point. You agree that the taking of a human life is OK for a convicted criminal even if we make a few mistakes. No big deal. However, to terminate the pregnancy of a teen who is raped or of a woman carrying a defective embryo is totally unacceptable. I think taking a life is taking a life

          • Mys77

            The point I was making is the hypocrisy of liberals…abortion is supported, but convicted serial murderers on death row, and they protest and scream to let the murderer live! Kill the babies, let the murderer live? You explain that to me.

          • Mort

            You are putting words in my mouth. You claim it is wrong to kill an unborn innocent person but it is OK to kill an in innocent adult who is WRONGLY convicted of a capital offense. That is the hypocrisy. We agree …. Do the crime, do the time…or whatever.

          • ARJAY

            So we let convicted murderers go free, so as not to ever put an innocent adult wrongly convicted, to death?

            But is OK to MURDER an innocent “fetus” because of a rape or is said to be defective.

            Besides, WHO determines the “fetus” is defective? You do realize that the test results COULD BE WRONG! Not all medical tests are 100% correct!

            Ever hear about medical tests giving FALSE POSITIVES or FALSE NEGATIVES?!

          • Mort

            Array, let me try again. We agree that taking an innocent life is NOT acceptable. You do not want to allow abortion because testing the condition of the fetus could be wrong and it’s better to err on the side of life . OK. I see that over 150 people on death row have been exonerated because, under further examination, they could not have done the crime. If we are going to err on the side of life we should opt for life in prison unless the it’s an absolute certainty as to the guilt of the accused.
            You only focus on the obvious innocence of the baby but you never say a word as to the possible innocence of the women carrying the child who may have been coerced. Doesn’t the life of the mother have the same value as the life of the fetus?

          • Mys77

            There are no wrongly convicted people on death row. And those on death row are adults, living breathing, made choices throughout their lives…The unborn children are absolutely innocent, blameless, pure, untouched by evil in this world. Liberals are hypocrits for not seeing the difference between the two issues….you and I do not agree.

          • Mort

            As I pointed out to Arjay, there ARE WRONGLY CONVICTED people on death row…over 150 and counting. Maybe you need to question your blind trust of the legal system.

          • Mys77

            If they were wrongly convicted, and still on death row, they are still alive, right? Going through appeals ect…. I don’t believe the world at large, or liberal idiots should devote time, effort, and resources to those who may or may not be guilty of that crime, but they are guilty of sin. Millions of aborted babies are innocent but are murdered, dismembered, discarded…and not one liberal demoncarat says one thing in that childs defense. The liberals are evil, choosing evil people, actions, and words over innocent babies. Maybe you need to put your trust in God almighty and get right with God…because you sure are defending the evil actions of criminal adults.

          • ARJAY

            No, mort, I am not missing YOUR point! Where did I say “NO BIG DEAL” about taking an innocent person’s life who was convicted of a capital crime?

            But YOU did infer that YOU think it’s OK to abort because of rape or defective embryo. At least that’s how I took your comment.

            I think taking an INNOCENT life is MURDER and unacceptable in ALL CASES!

            A MURDERER/MASS MURDERER is NOT innocent and DOES deserve to receive the DEATH penalty AND BE EXECUTED.

            There have been several cases where a convicted murderer has been released from prison and MURDERED AGAIN!

            That could NEVER happen if the CONVICTED MURDERER had actually been EXECUTED!

          • Mort

            Arjay, you will never accept the moral equivalence of killing a unborn child and an innocent adult. You always seem to grasp for some wild argument that justifies killing an adult. How about if the unborn child will grow up to be a serial killer, a Stalin, a Republican?

          • ARJAY

            So all aborted babies will have grown up to be criminals?????

            YOU are reading into my comments something I AM NOT SAYING!

          • Mort

            We are beating a dead horse. I think we agree that the justice system does, occasionally, convict and execute an innocent person. That is just as tragic as killing an unborn in my eyes.
            I NEVER even implied all aborted babies will grow into criminals…but any one of them, a very small number, will.
            What crime has a raped or abused woman committed that warrants her giving up her right to decide if she wants to bare the result of that crime?

          • ARJAY

            Adoption does not kill the baby. There are many couples that want to adopt and have to go to foreign countries to get a baby to adopt.

            I know a (Christian) woman who was raped, decided to have the baby. This baby grew up to be a very talented young woman. She has special gifts that she uses to help people. If her mother had decided to have an abortion, this world would not have the talents this young Christian woman has shared for all these years.

          • yael

            When someone commits a crime so heinous as to warrant the death penalty, you are no longer talking about a human being. That person is a monster, an animal, and has forfeited his right to be treated as a member of the human race. An innocent baby and a monster have no equivalency.

          • Mort

            I gather you do not believe that “God’s children” were given free will. If you did, then you would have to accept the fact that both the sinner and the pious were given the choice of which path to take without relinquishing their humanity.

          • CA Loser

            With DNA now we can prove that a person is guilty. But we spend billions on housing these murderers. Hmm, maybe they should have been aborted. oh well, late term abortion works too.

        • Mys77

          The unborn are 100 percent innocent, and abortion kills them all. You don’t know the difference between innocent and guilty?

          • Mort

            I agree that no unborn is responsible for being where they are. But doesn’t the mother have any rights?
            I do not agree that all those on death row are guilty and deserve death. Are you sure?

          • Mys77

            The mothers rights do not override or supercedes another. She has no right to choose death for another human being, why should she have the “right” to murder an innocent, defenseless baby at will, just because she can!

            Death row, yeah I am sure…and I sure wish liberals would put more energy in fighting for truely innocent, defenseless, helpless babies whose lives haven’t even started! Thats more productive and worth it!

          • Mort

            So the fetus has rights that supersede the mothers wishes. She is merely a breeding machine. That is not even the equality which is guaranteed by the Constitution. You make the decision to abort sound as casual as having a haircut when it is usually a very agonizing, personal choice. Liberals are fighting for a women’s right to choose what happens to her. If the woman is not prepared to care for a child emotionally or financially are you prepared to step in and provide for the child or, once born, is it everyone is on their own? It’s not the simple problem you make it.
            You really believe in the infallibility of the justice system? WOW. You are a minority on that one.

          • Mys77

            We hold these truths to be self evident, that ALL men are CREATED EQUAL….that they endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. That among these are LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Notice it says created, not born. So yes an unborn child has rights equal to everyone else.

            Listen up mort, since woman are now treating babies as blobs of tissue instead of babies, and that to murder is no big deal, and abortion as easy and quick to murder their baby instead of being responsible, selective and mature about who they have sex with, I don’t believe those woman should murder their innocent babies because of their poor choices.

            As far as taking care of the child, that is the responsibility of the parents…period….including the man. Irresponsible people need to grow up…it starts here..you don’t want a baby, then don’t have unprotected, reckless sex, with someone you are not committed to, period!

          • yael

            Actually there are plenty of organizationso that are available to help a mother avoid murder. Every church where I live has a ministry that sees the mom through pregnancy, birth and adoption.For free.

          • You act as though pregnancy is a disease..I’m not sure if you knew this but even before there were doctors and hospitals..women gave birth to children – alot of them in fact. You imply that the ‘decision” is a health based one when in the majority of cases it is a “lifestyle convenience” one. And yes – once you are born – it is up to you to make something of yourself – society is only their to show you how to do so. And if you are reliant on government to get you “there” – you might as well stamp every child with a Property of THE GUBMENT stamp and move on. Conservatives..if you hadn’t figured it out …in relation to your last statement would say :”Go the F away government!!” What you don’t seem to understand is that those who fight for life are the very ones who would take in the child, or foster it, or set up a charity that does so…instead of look to the government to “solve the problem of life”.

          • Here’s the way to look at it if it helps you sleep some Mys77 – Who do you think actually has the overwhelming number of abortions…conservatives or liberals. I know…no brainer right? so ..if more libs are killing off their own babies – which leads to LESS future libs – let them have at it – maybe they’ll thin the herd so much we can finally tell them to shut the F up with their whining about how unfair life is.

          • Mys77

            Absolutely not. All children deserve a chance at life.

          • I agree – I was just stating how I sleep a little better at night knowing that it’s going to happen regardless of what I think. Until Conservatives get their act together and vote in droves and get Democrats out of power – until they stand up for themselves and their way of thinking – until they grow a thick enough skin to withstand the name calling and political correctness BS and shove it back in Democrat faces, until they wear their conservatism with pride knowing that it is the only thing that will save this country, I will sleep a tiny bit better knowing that the ENEMY – yes they are the ENEMY of every REAL AMERICAN – is killing off their own.

          • retona4

            Yet you would have Muslim children murdered.

          • Mys77

            Huh? All children deserve a chance at life. I know retona you are a retard who chose to be a homo, but really you weren’t born that way, you became evil through your choices. No one is born evil.

          • retona4

            “Huh? All children deserve a chance at life. ”

            “Can we have a hit list of all rag heads?”

            Your own comment.

          • Mys77

            Are you the first on the list? A piece of s… your own comment. Yes, retard, you definitely are a piece of s…,you claim to be satan, a homo, and now we know you are a muslim, rag head…anything else you want to claim..? A witch and a b too? A hatefilled, vile, pedophile too? A mocking demon..too dumb, too stupid, too vile to bathe? Your reputation as a pathetic worthless troll is well known.

          • retona4

            Damn, you’ve got a mouth that’d make a USMC drill sergeant blush.

          • Mys77

            Since, retona, you claimed to be satan, it is the only language you understand. Take it anyway you want. I don’t really care….you are evil…what does it matter to you.

          • retona4

            “Since, retona, you claimed to be satan, it is the only language you
            understand. Take it anyway you want. I don’t really care….you are
            evil…what does it matter to you.”

            If I was evil, I wouldn’t take the time to volunteer at a soup kitchen once a month.

          • Mys77

            And why are you bragging about that….trying to glorify yourself? But deny God the glory and follow His word? You are one confused messed up retard. God says homosexuality is an abomination, and you retona the retard, say no it isn’t. You retona the retard are nothing of God, nor follow His word. Slopping soup does not get you into heaven.

          • retona4

            Neither does advocating mass genocide, but to do that with glee.

          • Mys77

            I would ask what is wrong with you…but the better question is what “isn’t” wrong with you! Good grief retard retona, I am pro life, all my comments to that effect, you are a catholic….your church has more blood on its hands than anyone….seriously, you are one looney witch.

          • retona4

            (Calls others looney after calling for Muslim infants to be killed)

          • Daniel

            FUCK OFF ASSHOLE fucking cocksuker bitch mother fucker

          • Mys77

            Do you know the difference between an adult who chooses his behavior, and a innocent new born baby? Ragheads are not innocent babies. Evidently, retona, you have chosen to be a nasty retard.

          • retona4

            Is that so? What crime have Muslim infants committed?

          • Mys77

            Retona retard, you claim to be satan….that pretty much explains every demonic, twisted comment you have posted. Is that the catholic teaching you follow?

          • retona4

            “I know retona you are a retard who chose to be a homo, but really you
            weren’t born that way, you became evil through your choices”

            I’ve been straighter than an arrow since my birth. Feel free to be in denial over that.

          • Daniel

            mys77 you need to shut your fucking mouth..ASSHOLE..

          • Mys77

            Huh? You talk out of your backside, do you?

          • retona4

            Hypocritical ass hole Daniel is hypocritical.

          • Daniel

            so real criminals have the right to choose death for another human being?

          • Mys77

            Huh? Thanks so much for confirming …as the article says…proof that liberals can’t understand anything…..!

          • Daniel

            Why do you assholes always assume that because the comment posted that you don’t agree with is from a liberal? just so happens that I vote republican and support ”most” of their views…you fucking idiots think that PP is all about abortions and nothing else..do some fucking research for a change.

          • Mys77

            Huh? Thanks for really confirming, as the article says…proof that liberals who disguise themselves to be conservatives so they can murder, do disgusting immoral, corrupt things without impunitiy. And really, you creep, only liberals who can’t make a legit point resort to gutter language.

          • Agree, this moral judgement as to how a mother deals with her body (it is hers so long as the fetus is attached) A wiser approach would be educating are kids before they are sexually active

          • Mys77

            A moral judgement? Its biology, once that baby is conceived, her body has no control, it is not hers, if is the babies. The woman has no control of what her body does to nourish, breathe for it, and allows the child to grow. The woman who wants to murder her baby, GOES AGAINST WHAT HER BODY IS NATUALLY DOING, DESIGNED BY NATURE, BIOLOGY, AND GOD. AGAIN IT IS NOT HER BODY, BUT THE CHILDS HAVEN TILL BIRTH.

          • I think that a mother should be free to make this choice for herself, however, by no means should abortions be funded by taxpayers. This was Reagans position and it is in keeping with individualism and doesn’t force the Federal Government into the baby destruction business. Most Conservatives understand that this has no blanket right or wrong, but have in common the notion that paying for what many see as murders is not a function of government nor responsobility of anyone except those who carried out the sex act.

          • Mys77

            The woman is a mother? A mother is defined having a child, which means she has a child she is responsible for, in no way does she have the right, the freedom, the authority to murder. Reagan did not have the position of murdering, decapitating and slicing perfectly viable children to death. Secondly, since when does the federal government decide who lives and dies? Unless you prefer it that way. Nice way of straddling the fence and turning a blind eye to babies being slaughtered, as long as you don’t pay for it, or see It, right? Tell you what, get your butt into an abortion clinic and actually witness the abortion, and get back to me that you think that woman has a “right” to murder that innocent child.

          • oldtimered

            The mother had the right to be responsible, for whatever reason she went for pleasure or intoxicated irresponsibility.
            Rape etc. is such a small percentage of pregnancies that most legislation allows that, along with the real physical health of the mother to be an exception.
            I realize sanctity and loyalty to life can not be understood by many. But a child unwanted by a mother could be wanted by so many that the list never ends.
            Many women say I could be raped or I was raped and I had to worry about killing the baby. If you say that, it is covered, now what is the excuse, you want to tell the world to feel sorry you were raped? Maybe.
            We have killed 2 Billion babies world wide in the last 50 years by abortion, if you do believe in God at all, what can His love and Justice do to us? How can this be equal justice for all, including the babies.?

          • J. Harp

            Mort . . . Yes, the mother has freedom of choice . . . right up until, through sexual intercourse with a man, the time they create a human being! At that point, her freedom of choice ends. You can engage in all of the semantical “Doublespeak” you want, but we have murdered something like 60,000,000 human beings in this country in the name of freedom of choice. That is mass murder on an unimaginable scale! Those numbers rival ANY level of mass murder committed by Adolph Hitler or Josef Stalin! And the basic reason, cutting through all of the self-serving lies and political hype, is that we don’t want to accept the personal responsibilities and consequences of our actions! Mort, how would you liked to have received the Death Penalty, without any criminal action on your part, and have ended up being the person who never was?!

          • Mort

            So the mother-to-be has freedom to choose an abortion… until she becomes pregnant. Very tolerant of you. …and if the pregnancy was forced, if she was denied access to birth control, if birth control failed… her freedom of choice just expired?
            Your last sentence is exactly my point. We KNOW there are over 150 innocents on death row and who knows how many have already been put to death. I don’t hear any rage from the right about that.

          • J. Harp

            You really are a lost child, aren’t you . . .

          • Mort

            I don’t know what you mean. I look into the mirror every morning and say I am trying to be a good person and living the best life I can. I do not spend my time judging my neighbor.

          • J. Harp

            Mort . . . Your previous “argument” is specious and based on utter nonsense! it is apparent that not only do you not KNOW anything, you don’t SUSPECT very much either!

          • CA Loser

            That is noble of you to show concern for innocent people who have been convicted and now face the death penalty. But you show your true colors when you support abortion for any reason. I think it is perfectly fine to abort a child as long as the parent is a liberal. We need to stop the plague somehow

        • CommonSense4America

          While I do agree that ‘mistakes’ are made in convictions, I do see a huge difference in an innocent baby and a convicted killer. BTW,,,I also believe that when a person is wrongfully convicted due to wrong doings of government officials, (withholding or planting evidence) then that/those officials should be prosecuted.

          • Mort

            Are you really saying that it’s wrong to terminate a fetus because they all are blameless but it’s alright to kill the convicted because only some of them are blaimless?

          • CommonSense4America

            If you put it that way,,,then yes. BTW,,,MOST that are convicted are not blameless.

          • Mys77

            Adults have already made choices…and are sinners. Unborn babies are not only sinless, but truely innocent! By the way, at least convicted killers get a trial and a defense, and time….babies
            do not. And for the crime they are convicted of, there are crimes they got away with before they got caught. Like the guy who gets caught raping, you really think thats his first?

          • Mort

            John 8:7

          • Mys77

            Please read all of it…Jesus said I forgive you…go and sin no more. Only Jesus can absolve sin, and repentance and turning from sin is what Jesus said. Jesus is the authority, not you, and not me. We all know what is sin, even you Mort. You might take a look at what evil sin lies within you…..and turn from it!

          • Mort

            I get it. Before they are born they are untouchable. After they are born and exercise the free will God gave to all of us, it’s all right to execute them. Do I have that right?

        • Dave T.

          The logical solution is to make the justice system work better…not to use it as an excuse for killing the unborn as they have done absolutely nothig wrong.

          • Mort

            Why must the solution be killing anyone? Incarcerate “killers” for keeps or until they are proven innocent; provide women easy access to family planning services included a beafed up adoption system that can care for unwanted children.

          • Dave T.

            (Deuteronomy 19:11-13) But if any man hate his neighbour, and lie in wait for him, and rise up against him, and smite him mortally that he die, and fleeth into one of these cities: Then the elders of his city shall send and fetch him thence, and deliver him into the hand of the avenger of blood, that he may die. Thine eye shall not pity him, but thou shalt put away the guilt of innocent blood from Israel, that it may go well with thee. (KJV)

      • Daniel

        So if your brother and uncle rape your daughter and knock the bitch up..my guess is that the little monster would be aborted..am I right?…you assholes are so pro life yet you are line up to watch a man or woman get fried for their crime and love to start wars that get men and women killed..I don’t get it..try turning the channel once in a while..there’s a world of facts on any c-span channel.fox=lies and fear mongering.

    • J. Harp

      Joseph . . . AMEN!

  • Rod S.

    Well, this sums up a whole lot, about the black house, and the regular visits from al Sharpton. Like Hgeyer, laughing my butt off. Bunch of clowns.

  • Col C

    The ad above, Sexy Celebs is evil, disgusting, and has no place on a conservative site. So why is it here?

  • teaman

    Very little in this article is true! Here is the true meaning and the origin;

    Origin of the Left & the Right

    I have often wondered why it is that Conservatives are
    called the “right” and Liberals are called the “left.”

    By chance I stumbled upon this verse in the Bible:
    “The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
    but the heart of the fool to the left.”
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

    Thus sayeth the Lord. Amen.

    Can’t get any simpler than that.
    Spelling Lesson

    The last four letters in American……….I Can
    The last four letters in Republican…….I Can
    The last four letters in Democrats………Rats

    End of lesson. Test to follow in November, 2016

  • BOONE

    I was checking out at my Dr’s. office yesterday and tried to have a conversation with the receptionist. It backfired. She told me she was a liberal and did not have a clue of what she was trying to say. I chuckled and told her soon she would be home talking to her cat. She asked how I knew she had a cat, I told her I didn’t and that really confused her. They are brain-dead.

  • Patriot47

    Trying to explain liberalism is impossible, even for a liberal icon. Stupid cannot be reasoned away.

  • salahudin

    I thought I was a liberal in my younger days unti I began working with them. All cuckoo clocks even the wealthiest ones

  • J. Harp

    Haidt really missed the mark here. The really big understanding of Liberals/Socialists/Communists is that they are fundamentally flawed Control Freaks who want to constantly meddle in other people’s business and lives! This group continually demean those who believe in personal freedom as opposed to personal slavery by viewing them as “stupid know nothings” who cannot run their own lives without help. And they view themselves as that “help” through what they believe is their superior intellect and cognitive skills. They view themselves as the “Ruling Elite”, to whom the rules that they propagate for others do not apply. They are also steadfast in their idea that, facts be damned, their way is the only way. They will lie, cheat, and steal to achieve their dominance, regardless of whom it hurts or how inappropriate their ideas and course of action may be. Most importantly, their idea of an ideal society and government goes absolutely contrary to human behavior. However, when in control, they would use whatever force, by government, is necessary to achieve their ends. Their basic ideas originate in the works of Karl Marx, who was a mentally deficient and socially bankrupt individual. Marx’s personal history is one of failure and debauchery. The government/social concept that these Liberals/Socialists/Communists would implement in this country, given the chance, has already been tried in other countries and has proven to be an abysmal failure. Yet they would institute this same slavery in America because THEY would be in the position of power and control! These people are ego centric and, many times, ego maniacal in their approach to society. Logic and the understanding of human behavior does not have any place in their thought processes or vocabulary. Mostly and lastly, their motives are not pure. Regardless of all of the public blather they spout about their concerns across the spectrum of society concerning “fairness and equality” for everyone, their innermost desire is to have the power and control over other human beings! Their form of government and society in America? NO THANK YOU!!!

  • Dave T.

    Proof positive that liberalism is a mental disorder!

  • yael

    I noticed an interesting correlation. Liberals are all about pushing veganism, vegetarianism and no beef, no meat. But the vitamin b12 in meat is crucial for the brain’s ability to understand and comprehend information. You need it for lucid thinking. See the connection yet? I’m not saying this is the total reason for their mental disorder. I also do believe their drug use along with pot smoking is another reason for their acute faulty thinking.

  • PAGNOLINROME

    Sorry if I ruffle anyone’s feathers with my comment here….that THERE IS NO NEED TO EXPLAIN LIBERALISM, other than the definition of of a liberal. I do not understand why neo-cons and so called conservatives continue to spin the true meaning of that definition. So long as conservative, common sense people do not face that truism there will always be those (like Bill O’Reilly) who kiss liberal and left wing butt.

    A LIBERAL IS ONE WHO SEEKS TO AVOID THE DISCIPLINES OF THE TRUTH. In doing so the liberal always benefits himself first while avoiding any consequences of that truth.

    Once that is established there will be no need to be “fair and balanced” as FNC likes to represent itself, because there is no need to cater to liars, cheats, and falsehood. You just ignore them. It should not be forgotten that even those who spin liberal definition(s) will readily admit that BHO is the most liberal politician we have ever seen, legal or not. And we (except liberals) all know how much of a liar he is.

  • The mother should have made that decision, about her body, BEFORE she got pregnant.

  • J. Harp

    Mort . . . I do not condone killing innocent people in the criminal justice system, nor do I condone the rape of women. However, if you equate the miniscule statistical basis of these instances to the MURDER of 60,000,000 people by abortion, you truly do not get it! You really need to rethink your grasp on reality, junior!

  • averygreenleaf

    The above article is highly insulting. It shows how you rerun your limited propaganda; and just how little respect you have for other people who may be different than yourselves. I believe in a woman’s right to chose; but I am against the death penalty. I believe in the sanctity of iife – when it is out of the womb. You talk about the poor,unborn babies; but your interest ends there. You have no desire to provide services that would help these babies grow and thrive. Once they’re out of the womb, you don’t give a shit.