Major University Shuts Down Freedom of Speech – for Conservatives

UofMStudentUniversities all over the world, but particularly in America, are considered safe places for free speech. More and more, however, that is proving to be true only for those who speak and write from the political left. Recently, a junior at the University of Michigan has lost his job, because he wrote a humorous piece showing the irrationality of the liberal point of view.

Muslim student Omar Mahmood wrote the satirical column for the Michigan Review, a conservative student publication. The article, titled “Do the Left Thing,” angered many students who posted obscene notes on his door and threw eggs at his home. In retaliation, Mahmmod was fired from the “mainstream” student paper, the Michigan Daily.

Michigan Daily issued at statement that said:

The way in which the author satirically mocked the experiences of fellow Daily contributors and minority communities on campus in his Review column violated our values and integrity as a publication. His actions created a conflict of interest regarding his employment with both the Daily and the Review.

Fox News reports:

…Mahmood called Michigan Daily a radical leftist publication, and he recalled a conversation there about endorsing Green Party candidates because the Democratic Party was getting “too conservative.”

He told Greta Van Susteren, “I don’t understand how an 800-word piece, a satire… threatened anyone.”

Mahmood said he has received hundreds of emails from liberals and minorities saying that he did nothing wrong.

“Freedom of speech, which is what the left actually preaches and what these social justice warriors promote – tolerance, equality – is exactly the opposite of what they did to me,” he said.

It is worth noting that earlier this month, U of M liberal professor Susan Douglas published a piece in In These Times stating, “It’s okay to hate Republications.” She was not sanctioned by the university. Rather, the university spokesman said:

…The university must and will work vigilantly to ensure students can express diverse ideas and perspectives in a respectful environment and without fear of reprisal. The university values viewpoint diversity and encourages a wide range of opinions.

Really?

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  • lyone

    What a surprise.

  • Darl Kemper

    Liberals are aholes

    • jbaviera

      No they’re not, aholes serve a purpose. Liberals are more like an appendix, no useful purpose, but when it DOES do something, it causes a lot of pain and suffering,

  • Finder1009

    Does this surprise anyone coming from the liberal idiots?

    • glorybe2

      Why is it those with a Ph.D in most any field tend to be liberals/ Why is it that people who test with very high IQs tend to be liberals? Why is it that the studios that produce movies tend to be run and owned by liberals? How is it that liberals can afford to own the TV networks? Could it be that liberals really are far more intelligent than conservatives? Could honest education turn people into liberals? Has anybody noticed the large number of chess champions that came out of communist nations? America has had only two noteworthy chess champions in our national history. Think about just how this can happen. We did have a third fellow who probably should have been a world champion but he could not get a game with a grand master.

  • Jack

    the libs are pulling the same crap all over the country. It’s drilled into the young students who follow, by blind faith, anything that their pinhead professors tell them.

    • PPTA

      It has been like that for a long time. They were teaching crap like that in the 70″s. Anyone remember the little book called Animal House?

    • pindragon

      I was very lucky. Had a history teacher that promoted free thinking. She did not teach to the book, she taught her students to think for themselves. She encouraged us to think outside the box.

      • mustangsallyann

        All my history teacher’s were like yours. We sure were blessed.

        • pindragon

          Yes, we were. We were taught to vote for the person, not the party. Think for yourself.

          • mustangsallyann

            Yeppers!!!

    • Rocket Doc

      Don’t they see they are pulling the same bull that hitler did, before WWII?? THEY ARE LEADING OUR KIDS INTO THIS ABYSS, AND NOTHING GOOD CAN COME IF IT!!!!

      • Schickelguber again–how is it he keeps getting into the act?…what about Dzhugashvili & Mao–diversify your daemons, amigo, you’re boring us–& to which of ‘N’ abyssal depths are you adverting?

  • Burton Pauly

    Typical Left University, that can’t abide with any opinion other than from the left. And to think this institution is getting our tax dollars for equal opportunity of edu. Free Speech is only free if everyone can voice an opinion.

    • fxr60

      More universities should be run by the state or churches, these Liberal professors are ruining the minds of these children!!! Get the government out of the schools!!!

      • JohnB

        Keep the state government out too. Just take a look at the California state run universities.

      • USAPatriotSC

        Tenure paved the way for Communist Professors to spread Communism.

        • Mike

          All under the guise of freedom of speech. Break down the family and kids don’t get the training they need. Don’t know what they believe in or stand for. That’s where the commies get their foot in the door.

          • ‘Commies’ is infra dignitas–a feckless epithet beneath your dignity…the Koch Brothers & their ilk have done more to ruin this country than the entire cohort of ‘liberals’, soi-disant, from TR thru BHO…Adam Smith himself identified your real enemy [Reagan/Bush-II, CATO, Ayn Rabid-Rand, supply-cide/tricky-down fraud], predicting that Unregulated Capital would condemn us to endless cycles of market implosion–& that’s exactly what happened [1837-2007]…wise up & block further loss of jobs, homes, wives, careers, pensions & opportunity by supporting Liz Warren & Cory Booker [2017-25]…you are rightly furious, but atheists, socialists, faggots & tree-hugging feminazis are not to blame–they, too, lost heavily to subprime criminals…prepare a crate under a bridge–Wall St has already circumvented Dodd-Frank, again gambling w/your assets [if any remain]!

          • Cogita ante-dictas

          • glorybe2

            It pains me to realize that people, including educated people, often believed that Ayn Rand had a belief system. like Rush Limbaugh she was simply spitting out goobly gook in order to make a living. And yet people in high places actually swallowed that line of nonsense and some still worship Rand. She was an American horror story. Bud Greenspan even based his beliefs upon her pseudo philosophy. The O’Reilly factor plays the same game. Even William F. Buckley played along the same path by essentially teasing people to prove that he was wrong and he was absolutely wonderfully educated. I doubt that he believed his own position. Among many things he was a former CIA spy.

          • Your two comments, viewed pari passu, are oddly antinometric–but nevermind…yes, colleague Billy-Buck believed what he said/wrote…his resentment began at Yale, where freshman compeers sneered at his RC res-ligio…the wiser choice by far is to rebut w/dispassion, as per this nat’l champion debater…ideology is death…quod erat arguendo definitatem.

          • glorybe2

            I am amused by a thread that complains of liberals blocking free speech when we see conservatives in Texas fighting to keep evolution out of science classes and put creationism into science classes. And not one of them is bright enough to think that God may have created evolution. The truth is that conservative economic policies may have already destroyed our nation and we are simply waiting for the last gasp. Trickle down economics has never worked in any nation at any time. It has always failed. This time it may have killed America.

          • Ah, the voice of reason, in plausible syntax yet…as a boy-preacher, steeped in a family of congenithals, respondent tried to open the heads of his parishioners [mostly non-surgically], by tossing in a nuance of evolution here & there, not to mention selected views of Marx, Freud & Einstein…he managed to skirt defrocking from 1943-46, but by 1947 the Red Menace was lurking in every closet, acc. to HUAC…[let’s pause briefly for Borodin’s ineffable Polovyetsian Dances; who remembers the Polovtsi now?]; having mopped his rusting keyboard, respondent plunges to the fray…so, what are we small band of populists & Lovers of Elizabeth to do about this rictus of Down-Home Evil, slavering & oozing from every maloccluded hill-billy mouth & orifice of slime?…do the haters discharge enough venom here to auto-detox for the day, or do we drive them to corybantic frenzies of vengeance & immolation of ‘liberals’ [never actually met one of these beasts, noire or blanche, tho there must be a few in the woodpile]…well, we agree on everything, clearly, so now Truth laid bare–the Res Publica so carefully crafted by the founders to perpetuate benign bourgeocracy [North of Mason], has come-a-cropper…the Executive has been swept away in a tsunami of Reaction & a juggernaut of technocracy looms…Delphi projections suggest merger w/syntells–an upside of fabulous convenience, security, leisure, opportunity, efficiency & slow-thruputs, but also uploading of mind & memory to clones, storage & exo-transmission c. 2085-2120 CE…as an historian of science & philosophy, respondent finds that scenario ineluctable…zombie-time: see what aye mean, Verne?

          • mk64

            You’re a real tool.

            mk

          • purplewings

            It strikes me as being a very different thing than to NOT be able to mention the hundreds of slaughters being done daily around the world through Islamic terrorists, don’t you? BTW. It is Socialism that has never worked. Eventually the workers get tired of supporting the non-workers and become one of them instead.

          • glorybe2

            Workers worth employing like to work. Northern Europe already realizes this and does not force people to work with a threat of poverty. Being forced to work to avoid poverty is a form of slavery. When it comes to freedom this is a very real factor. How is it that one can claim to be free when one is forced to work or else suffer? Do you think that a citizen of Norway is less free than a US citizen? The prisons in some of these nations are more pleasant than the typical American home. But the US population remains unaware of just how well some of these nations are doing.

          • Paul Joseph

            I prefer mark Levin, Alex Jones and Michael Savage.

          • BDC

            Being well educated and having wisdom are not the same thing.

          • Dolly

            The only criminals I see is the Obummer Administration – every last one of them. The whole admin. is filthy rich (yeah they are) and is full of criminals from Obummer to Killery. Holder and Boner. I disagree – no one is ruining the country more than liberals under Obama – he’s the biggest criminal here.

          • Kids have beliefs, just not your beliefs [or mine for that matter]…

          • jvaljon1

            How do I say this tactfully? Ummm…Mike, I’m so glad that you voted for our President Obama! He’s right now – as we speak – waging an OIL WAR against Pres. Vladimir Putin (Russia) – the immediate result of which, is to bring down the price of gas at OUR pumps, to only half of its previously intolerable level (yet still, twice what it should be) – and to get Putin – uh, ‘retired’, I think they say over there. That’s more than Your Precious Bush ever did against the commies! YAY for the REAL American President – Barack Obama!

          • Mike

            How do I say this tactfully??? I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for Obama. He’s a MARXIST. Oil prices have nothing to do with his war on Putin, it’s the Arabs glutting the market. Have you ever heard of Crimea or eastern Ukraine? Invasions by Putin while Obama was busy playing golf. You are dilutional if you believe for one minute your beloved MARXIST Muslim president is leading anywhere other than to hell. GWB isn’t my beloved! He’s far to moderate for me. You may enjoy the thought of a socialist utopia in America, but just like everywhere else it’s been tried, it will fail. I rather enjoy the liberty and freedom our constitution affords us. You keep your government control over your life, I don’t want, or need it.

          • glorybe2

            You just love that Cool-Aid. Socialist nations have some form of constitution just as we do. And even blinder yet, the American public is unaware that we are a mixed system and partially socialist by design. If you don’t believe it look in your wallet and find that Social Security card. The real problem in the US is that we do not have enough socialism in our society but we soon will. For example some states are already forming agencies to resist rising oceans right now. Those agencies will soon need unheard of sums in taxes to prevent disaster. It must be done and it will involve unheard of levels of taxation and a huge change in social policies to work at all. Rising seas is a great enough emergency to cause far more upheaval in the near future than all of America’s wars combined.

          • Dolly

            YOU need to drink that Kool-Aid!! Get real and in the present situation that is causing all of us harm. Get educated on democracy and socialism so you know just exactly what you are giving up!! Such idiots on here.

          • jvaljon1

            Sorry, Dolly….I don’t think that glorybe2, is the Kool-Aid drinking type. You, however….WOW!

          • jvaljon1

            Not ALL the American public is unaware of America’s true constitution, glorybe2. In fact most Americans are very well aware of how we’re constituted. These loudmouths with half a brain are screaming so loud that it’s hard to hear anyone else. But you’re right.

            Just a couple of short years ago, I suggested the blend of capitalism and socialism that I grew up with as a child in NYC – both during and after WWII. I called it “capsolism” for short.

            On another tack: the amount of sheer, willful ignorance down here is so massive that I’ve given up on it. And yet the people here seem to be perfectly happy, blaming the very people who INVENTED Social Security, for all their ills! Plus they don’t seem to realize that WE UP NORTH – by word of their own hated President Obama – have to PAY for their own stupid stinking broke, jobless life-styles. (The hated “gummint” gives the ‘less fortunate’ states tax breaks.)

            They think, glory, that if they undid everything that America stands for, (“Destroy Soshul Security”, for example) that they somehow would escape the consequences! What WE have to understand is: THEY would blame US for what THEY DID. There’s no hope for Republicans any more. That’s why I propose:

            Decertifying the Republican Party. They’ve made themselves into the enemies of America, what with their hatred of a Black President. And yet America needs a two-party system! What to do?

            Why not elevate the Green Party (and God knows that America needs them right now, way more than it needs these Koch-fueled, penny-ante would-be Hitlers) to the place now occupied by the current Republican Party? That way, America could still have a 2-party system, and both those parties would be sane. For example, there wouldn ‘t be cartoons like the one I just saw recently, that showed a clearly puzzled Kim Jong Il, waving a scribbled piece of paper at his secretary, and demanding “Who’s this ‘Tom Cotton’??”

            The minute that these Republicans had the gall to openly disrespect our President in his upcoming negotioations with our enemies, THEY THEMSELVES, became America’s enemies!!

            It won’t be long before the rest of America finally understands that. A new America: led by the Democratic Party and the Green Party! I look forward to that day!

          • jvaljon1

            GWBush….is far too MODERATE FOR YOU?!

            O M G!!!!

          • 1XRayMan1

            You are proof positive that Ignorance is Bliss.

          • purplewings

            Really???? Gasoline prices have already dropped half of what they were due to American drilling. Obama fought against that. Give credit where credit is due and this is not it.

          • jvaljon1

            And what flavor Kool-Aid are you guzzling? Gas prices here have already dropped half of what they were, DUE TO AMERICA NOW BEING A NET EXPORTER!!! THAT’S what Obama was fighting against – not the price drop, but that Big Oil would rather be shipping OUR OIL back out to who pays most – rather than giving their own people – US, purplewings – a BREAK! But they’re gonna STAY at $2.29 or $2.25 for the foreseeable future. Big Oil USA will never give anyone a break. Geez, even the Saudis only charge their own consumers @$.06/gallon/gas at the pump! Try educating Rush once in a while, instead of soaking your brain in all of his lies! Sheesh!

          • Many thanks, ladies–BHO is soaring at last toward a well-deserved historical apogee: 50% now, & maybe 65% w/in a quadrennium, acc. to 23 historians–that could propel Warren into the Offal Office…hegemons like Pres. Cheney, meanwhile, sink further into the slime of tortuous reaction, ignominy & desuetude…as for the Hill, it faces painful orchiectomy…if thermageddon, ecollapse & cyber-war can be obviated, the Oxford/Delphi-projected Transhuman Singularity of 2085-2120 CE may yet be attained…sci-fi? DARPA doesn’t think so [vide Bostrum, Lisi, Venter, Susskind, Hawking, Church, de Grey, Koch, Kenyon, Musk, Kurzweil et alia]…uploading mind & memory to clones, storage or transmission to Colonia Martialis would ensure, not just probabilistic immortality for your grand-stirps, but an indefinite stay of execution for H. semper unsapiens, potentiating settlement of the galaxy [vide $500M NASA contract for spacetime surfing]…octogenarian respondent & his 14 year-old daughter bid you the exquisite satori & samsara of convoyage!

          • jvaljon1

            Great (and funny) post, Don! However, said orchiectomy should be performed slowly and without anaesthesia. That’s the LEAST that should happen to these drooling misfits on the Hill! And then they should lose the rest of their ‘equipment’ in the same manner -the better to quit screwing their country around! America’s a tolerant country. But we’re REALLY, getting tired of these enemies in our midst!

          • Dolly

            You are one sick puppy j1……..you are part of the problem, so just roll over for Obama and you’ll get all the happiness you desire. Stupid people!

        • Rx7pj

          What??? Where do you come up with that crap?????

          • William McClure

            Common sense. Try it.

          • Rx7pj

            I use it all the time why don’t you???
            You think tenure paved the way to communist professors? ?? You think that is common sense???
            God are you out to lunch

          • William McClure

            Apparently YOU DON”T. You’re out to lunch, supper, and breakfast and serve absolutely no useful purpose. Tenure does protect lousy professors from being accountable for what they teach (or preach,rather) If you refuse to see this then you are one of the useless suckups that protect filth like this for a crummy grade.

          • Priests, ideologues & politicians dread criticism & stifle it where possible…tenure evolved to protect faculty from arbitrary dismissal for their views… younger staff today, esp. in arts & humanities, find it extinct de facto, because they can’t gain the full-time positions that come w/shelter…they barely earn minimum wages traipsing from one part-time college post to another…their contracts, if any, can be cancelled on the spot…the income of older profs is oft frozen…behold a crisis that trammels inquiry–is this good for a free society?

          • William McClure

            Old lefty professors dread criticism and must protect the lefty status quo at all costs. You get tenure as long as you babble the progressive party line and like Sgt Shultz “know nozink,hear nozink,see nozink. In other words be a good little useful idiot for the progressive Col. Klink masters.

          • Your pop-culture animadversions are risibly obsolete.

          • William McClure

            And a lot of YOUR crap is irrelevant.

          • Formal proofs [a la Russel, Wittgenstein & Godel], & a fragment or two of empirical evidence are welcome, but imprecations, ad hominem snark & billingsgate render your whining nugatory…pusillanimity, impotence & band-box sis-boom-bah ensure defeat at the hands of a champion Oxford debater…quod erat arguendo definitatur…

          • William McClure

            Oh, I get it, it’s okay if you play that way but not all right if I do. YOU’VE nothing either so again why should I?

          • glorybe2

            OK, as soon as I hunt down all the KKK, skin heads and neo Nazi freaks I will dedicate myself to killing off the commies. Oops, I must amend that. I also need to hunt down the mafia, the tri-laterals and the new world order people and all those freemasons and the Jews who conspire to own us all. After I’m done with all of them -oops i forgot the queers and lesbians and all those dangerous trans sexuals who crave my private parts and then I’ll seek out the commies. Where are you on my list?

          • William McClure

            Actually the KKK is quite enamored about the idea of a “master race” and culling “human weeds” (the “negro problem”) . Margaret Sanger who held meetings with Klanswomen later founded Planned Parenthood which locates their abortion clinics in black neighborhoods to continue to deal with this “negro problem.” Evolution is all about natural selection and survival of the fittest. Those in power must make sure those who oppose them will not befit to survive. Strange as it seems the democratic part had Klansmen in high public office for a long time. Robert Byrd of West Virginia comes to mind.

          • glorybe2

            Well gosh and golly! You just spewed another irrational notion. You see Planned Parenthood would naturally seek out poor people to offer services as poor people simply can not support their children in many cases. So you imply that putting up a Planned Parenthood office in a ghetto is somehow a slight against black people. Put another way the folks who live in Beverley Hills don’t need Planned Parenthood. They can afford to raise their kids or at least hire staff to raise those kids. So it would make zero sense at all to offer Planned Parenthood to the rich. So if one uses common sense you will somehow conclude that they are a communist.

          • William McClure

            And you believe in the tooth fairy too.

          • glorybe2

            I am aware that the KKK had people in high places. It is believed that five presidents were klansmen.
            However the idea of quoting Darwin in relation to human affairs turns mankind in nothing more than irrational animals. Humans usually have brains and we have moral and cultural standards that do not allow people to try that survival of the fit nonsense. Most people really don’t get the meaning of survival of the fittest anyway. Algae may well be the winner as the most dominant life form on Earth. Its great fitness is in its ability to be undesirable and able to live in places that man and animal generally don’t want to go. We might hope to be a bit more than some algae that is stinking up a drainage ditch. Humans tend to take survival of the fittest as being a stronger killer than all that is around them. A teenage boy will hear about Darwin and spend the next 15 years flexing his arms in front of a mirror. Yet he will never have the power that a tiny smallpox germ has.

          • William McClure

            “Humans usually have brains and we have moral and cultural standards that do not allow people to try that survival of the fittest nonsense.” LOL As humanist would say,”Good without God.” I say ,”Good for nothing.” You deny God’s concepts of right and wrong as described in His Word as invalid and rail that it should not be codified as “secular” law.What makes your concepts valid?

          • glorybe2

            Cultural values are sort of lousy. since various cultures have opposing values only one culture could have a value that is in the right and all others would be wrong. Morals have a similar weakness. Some groups feel that polygamy is moral while others would see it as immoral. There is no universal agreement on either morality or cultural values. If there is any starting point towards agreement we should start with no person or group being allowed to harm or take advantage of any other group either directly or by establishment of rules that have the same effect. For example the concept of a corporation puts most people in a very subservient position. The notion that the public can put people in a miserable place also denies universal truths. At some point in the US it is more immoral to put a person in prison than the committing of the crime that put them before a judge in the first place. And then if the prison is punitive how does one restore the person falsely convicted? We could take prison as simply a place aside from the population that is not designed to be unpleasant in any way but is designed to restore an inmate to gracefully function in society.

          • William McClure

            In other words, everything is relative and monkeys are our relatives. You’re right, I’m wrong just ’cause you said so. yeah right.

          • Rx7pj

            Tenure is what your republican congressmen have also, remember that when you make your ridiculous comments.

          • William McClure

            AND your sorry democrat congressmen and sorry unionistsas of the NEA that call themselves teachers or “change agents.”

          • Rx7pj

            So you’re saying the sorry republicans ARE communists? ???? Since they are the same as the democratic congressmen.

          • ABBAsFernando

            WRONG. VILE LIBERAL SCUM are COMMUNISTS and their Useful IDIOTS.

            Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

            5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

            6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            7 The
            instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to
            destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

            8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            King James Version (KJV)

            by Public Domain

            Isaiah a prophet of God was shown this in a vision of our era today. This refers shortly after our Lord Jesus Christ returns in all of His Glory after Evil Doers are reduced to Ashes. Today Liberals are accurately described here. The Churl is a miser that fits today’s bankers quite well indeed.

          • William McClure

            Well there are RINOS the ones you think are “reasonable.”

          • Rx7pj

            No reasonable is sometime you obviously know NOTHING sbout.

          • William McClure

            I DO know about reasonable. YOU’RE NOT reasonable OR rational.

          • Rx7pj

            You say our colleges are and have always been full of communists, then turn around and try to me you’re reasonable or rational? ??
            God are you deluded.
            Come back ONLY if you are capable of intelligence comments. Which you have NOT been yet.

          • William McClure

            I’m STILL here and waiting for YOU to say something intelligent. NONE of your left wing “facts”. Left wing “facts”=lies

          • Rx7pj

            You’re insane, “facts=lies” , now that sounds rational, NOT.
            If you have any proof of your asinine comments about communist is our universities, show it. I know you won’t because you NEVER present any proof of your accusations.
            If you do not present any real facts (not opinion ) about your accusations I’ll not respond to any more of your dribble.
            So it’s put up or shut up.
            Bye

          • William McClure

            Why should I? I’m not writing a stupid term paper or research paper and any stupid grade from you is totally irrelevant to my life. Fine, take your crummy ball and go home. Nobody else wants to play with you either.

          • glorybe2

            In my college years I only met one communist and he was a student. Frankly most college students consider politics and government as worthless and could care less about supposed political doctrines.

          • glorybe2

            Those who think that communists run colleges have probably never spent an hour on a college campus.

          • Rx7pj

            I agree

          • Name two Communist faculty w/tenure in USA from 1917 – 1991…not to rub it in, but Communism is moribund everywhere except north of the 38th Parallel–& there not long.

          • William McClure

            Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn

          • Interesting candidates, comrade…Ayers was a thoroly domesticated populist of the type you see on LINK; Bernadine’s career comprised exile & hard-time in the slammer…to my cognizance, neither was a Komunist…yagotta do better than that, but don’t bother exhuming Norman Thomas, Henry Wallace or the 237 ghost-Reds in the State Dept…why not drop the ideology & pursue your real enemies? my 110,000 pp [10 meters] of monografs would enliten you, but ikant afford $5,600 to CD them.

          • William McClure

            So? My facts don’t impress you and your “facts” don’t impress me.

          • glorybe2

            If you go back to 1929 there surely were communists in the educational system. Communism was not well understood and information as to what was going on inside Russia was not available to the public. Many prominent people were communists for a short period of time until more was known about the issues common to Russian communism. The same is true of the Nazi movement. Go back to 1935 and many Americans thought Nazism held real promise until the truth began to leak out about what the Nazis were really doing.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Not only in colleges and universities but in American Society at large. Main Stream Media is the mouth piece of Communist Party USA. Everything useful idiots of main stream media believe as truth is a LIE. Like America losing the Viet Nam War. A LIE. Liberal VILE SCUM LIED and three million DIED in Viet Nam.

            If you have the courage to learn the truth:

            The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War (The Politically Incorrect Guides)

            Paperback

            – February 23, 2010

            by

            Phillip Jennings

            (Author)

          • Rx7pj

            Wake up already

          • ABBAsFernando

            Right back at you………………..

          • Choppering off the Embassy roof was a victory? Shirley, you jest! How about Iraq? There’s a triumph–880K fatalities thusfar, per standard Census Bureau template!

            That ineluctable bete-noire of Neanderthals, the Mainstream Media, are congenital cowards [note Flight-800 coverup], w/o perceivable ideology beyond profit…quod erat argumentum definitatem.

          • ABBAsFernando

            You blind belief in Communist Propaganda pretending to be “news” is astounding. Read the damn Book, if you have the courage that is.

            The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War (The Politically Incorrect Guides)

            Paperback

            – February 23, 2010

            by

            Phillip Jennings

            (Author)

            You must have the courage to learn the TRUTH and the fact you were DUPED and FOOLED.

          • Forgot to mention Bible is mostly purloined myth, imprecations, self-serving lies & tribal fantasies; recommend Ecclesiastes, tho, for its secular integrity, interrogative realism & justifiable despair.

          • ABBAsFernando

            When the Torah is taken as history evidence will be found to support it. History proves this much. The only problem has been the expected dates of the reports. Dig deeper and evidence will support them.

            http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/hisevid.htm

            The Handwriting of God
            by Grant R. Jeffrey
            The Historical Evidence For the Bible

            The last one hundred and fifty years of archeological exploration in the Middle East has provided students of the Bible with an unparalleled abundance of evidence confirming thousands of detailed historical statements found in both the Old and New Testaments. In this chapter, we will explore a small fraction of the powerful historical and archeological evidence that has been discovered in Israel and throughout the Middle East that throws new light on the pivotal events that have shaped our modern Western culture. It is important that we place this evidence in its proper context. Archeology and historical documents can never prove that the Bible is inspired. Rather, the confirmation of the statements of the Bible through archeological and historical investigations provides us with powerful evidence of the historical truthfulness of the Word of God and indicates that its statements were accurately transmitted over thousands of years

            ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
            VILE LIBERAL SCUM will speak villany, work iniquity, practise pypocrisy, and utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            A vision given to Isaiah from God over 2,500 years ago. Nails Liberals and Misers [Churls] acurately.

            Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

            5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

            6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to
            destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

            8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            King James Version (KJV) by Public Domain

          • William McClure

            And your secular nonsense is a useless pack of lies as well

          • …as opposed to a useful pack of lies?

          • William McClure

            “Lies” and “useful” don’t belong in the same sentence. Of course in your case a lie is useul as long as it makes your agenda go forward.

          • Our colloquy demonstrates the futility of Hegel’s Thesis/Antithesis/Synthesis…a modest clarification before returning to real life: respondent’s contumacy in abjuring easy answers is well known to colleagues, & he has never lied on any matter of substance–what purpose could be served?…self-mendacity is even worse, impelling H. ignorans to abject ruin in profession, marriage, investment, politics & empire [vide Socrates, Herodotus, Thucydides, Plautus, Pliny Elder & Junior, Tacitus, Diocassius, Livy, Momsen, Toynbee]….it’s a struggle to identify the tropisms of delusion, not to mention the quiddities of Chaos Law: the benisons of a given choice oft seem obvious, the perils too seldom.

            What baffles respondent, despite 66 years of scholarship in all the arts & sciences, is why people still [1] believe in volition [free-will], [2] refuse to separate mind from brain & [3] attempt to apply social, political & economic hypotheses for which there are few if any signs of efficacy…respondent himself once credited some, but has been forced, at great cost, to drop them [e.g, God, rational markets, the moral precedence of republican democracy].

            Your Cloud Spirit convictions are irrelevant, & fading away world-wide…but, unless you are a thieving, psychopathic investment banker like Jamie Dimon, why do you still defend Reagan-Bush supply-cide/tricky-down, when it has wiped you out?…wake up–& help your fellow precarians elect Warren & Booker, so we can begin a vigesimal push to recover assets, complete the safety net & save your grandkids by decarbonizing [don’t sweat the syntells we’ll merge w/–they’re en route regardless of what we do]…cheers!

          • William McClure

            In other words, you’re offended that I don’t lavish rapt attention to your pompous and ridiculous statements and bow and scrape to you because you have a few pieces of toilet paper hanging on your wall proclaiming you successfully regurgitated some professors’useless drivel and probably fed his cats and walked his dogs for extra credit. In the context of “Everything is relative and monkeys are your relatives”, why should we look to you for wisdom and moral guidance? Why should ANYTHING you say be taken seriously?

          • Avaunt, rapture!…no one is obligated to adopt our views, values & policies, but some simulacrum thereof will be essential for adaptation to forces respondent has adumbrated since the helix [1953]…the pace of technosocial evolution is staggering–compounded by rebellion, impotent authority, resource prodigality [water, topsoil, timber, fisheries], indifference to penury, thermageddon, cascading ecollapse ad inf…so, what would you advise? clearly laissez-faire is untenable, unless you are willing to expose your stirps & grandstirps to perpetual sodomy by the organs of Capital…your complaints of bath-tissue regurgitation are esp. comical–nobody has ever accused respondent of insufficient creativity–indeed, it’s provoked terror since kindergarten [no, really]…history demos that people entertain novel solutions only as they plunge across the Schwartzchild Radius…we in the secular West, crawling the corniche of doom [but empirically sui generis], could pull back from the precipice–yet regiments of Neanderthals block the way, owing to fear–& for the sake of suicidal short-term gain…still, some ‘presbyopic’ entremanures are waking to green profit…respondent has accumulated 1000s of pages of these exchanges over the quinquennium, & must soon go to press: ecce immortalis!

          • glorybe2

            Well gosh and golly. Here I am informed that the US won the Vietnam war. show me what we won please! Dead bodies, broken minds and massive debts are what we won in my opinion. And we lost the respect of the world for being involved in that tragic nonsense.

          • ABBAsFernando

            You have been fooled by communist Party USA for years. You miss the entire point. Communist DISINFOrMATION snatched victory on the battlefield into a political defeat. Millions of innocent men, women, and children were murdered by VILE LIBERAL SCUM in America and their communist buddies in Viet Nam. I am a Viet Nam combat veteran, We were winning when I returned home to discover complete and total LIES being told in main stream media.

            The Tragic loss is the complete and total ignorance of Lame brain American low information individuals. I have never encountered such IGNORANCE in my life. Communist owned and controlled main stream media LIED bold faced to the American Public for years.

            The US Congress betrayed the South Vietnamese by refusing to honor arms and munitions promised to them. I and others like me knew of VILE LIBERAL SCUM sending money and medical supplies to the communists as we found them in enemy sites. We knew of the level of treason to be found in colleges and Congress itself.

            Put down the communist propaganda of Soviet style DISINFORMATION to learn the TRUTH.

          • He’s baiting us; respondent continues only to refine his rhetoric & complete a manuscript for his publisher–“Assorted American Nuts” [visit DSM-V on functioning sociopaths].

          • Rx7pj

            Go away

          • Par hazard, you seem to have struck the wrong key…respondent–however technocratic, Latinate & aggravating–is on your side–tho he counsels fewer ad hominem/ad feminam ripostes–they just release torrents of venomous billingsgate.

            Ideology & ignorance are invincible short-term, & there’s no anodyne for the fury of suicidal losers…victims of
            Koch-Brother scheming, sub-prime mortgages & Wall St fascism, on the other hand, deserve irrefragable solidarity & political remediation.

            Forward to the victory of atheism, humanism & Warren-Booker populism! Decarbonize! Slow thermageddon & block cascading trophic collapse to Toba-like near-extinction [or worse]!

          • purplewings

            I think you intended to say …..victims of George Soros and Bilderberg who have plotted this entire mess our country is in, long ago and do not mind paying for it because in the end, the biggest $$ goes directly to their own treasure chests.

          • Bilderberg is a conclave of banker-elites, but their ‘conspiracy’ is not cryptic–they make what they want perfectly clear–regs loose enough to ensure perpetuity in control of the global economy…if you seek remediation of your recent losses, drop GOP Heidelbergs, support Liz Warren & Cory Booker…market operates according to unfathomable Chaos Equations; Soros guessed rite on currency devaluation, made $900M by pressing ‘enter’…o/wise, as noted before, he couldn’t find his ass w/both hands…he’s a lousy writer, master of bromides, void of ideas, not smart enough to be an effective conspirator–to think so is comical…wake up & ID the real enemy of your racism & jingoism–it’s us Populists…the mood of the precariat has flipt; electoral & campaign reforms are ineluctable if we can mount a liberal supermajority in the Senate [or abrogate filibuster]…prep for heterosis on a planetary scale (:-)

          • purplewings

            You surely are joking. George Soros is very smart and very manipulative, plus has the money to get what he wants. In his bio he laughed at the economies he has destroyed around the world because once their money is worthless, his currency is what everyone needs and he can give it to them for a big price. Soros did not get wealthy guessing about the next currency. It was his plan and it was carried out by his peons, including Obama. So far our currency hasn’t been destroyed but there is lots of talk about it happening. Void of ideas? That’s all he does in his old age is set around and manufacture new ways to harm economies and make more money for himself. He is a sharp and immoral man who doesn’t mind being a destroyer because he claims to be a Philanthropist who takes care of others who need it……..Hmmm. That sounds familiar doesn’t it. Let the wealthy, which always extends to the middle class, pay for those who won’t or can’t work. Punish them for making money. So Soros plan has taken wings. He also said it has been his lifetime ambition to break America and bring it’s citizens to their knees.

          • Your complaints are meritorious, but together comprise a bouillabaisse of intestinal desuetude…the connexion of BHO to Soros is a special oddment–their goals are distinctly antinometrical…no, Soros is not actually ‘stupid’; he’s clever enough to make money, but that doesn’t mean much–he gets far more credit amongst ‘cabalists’ than he deserves–you’ve set him & few others up as straw-daemons…he has no power to shift the course of history unless he wises up; his charities are impact-tertiary…if really sharp, he’d stop pushing chips around & apply his cash to green the Earth & undermine the arms-trade; a frugal technocratic-humanist system based on regulated capitalism + objurgation of imperial war, large families & uber-consumption might save H. semper unsapiens et suicidens…brain-linked metaminds [demonstrated 2X trans-Atlantically] & terrawatt surveillance could accelerate the process…today’s torrent of rage & rhetoric notw/standing, all aspire to the scintillating uplands of probabilistic immortality implicit in the Delphi-projected Transhuman Elysium–heute die welt, morgen Via Lactea.

          • glorybe2

            There are two sicknesses that destroy economies. The most common is inflation. The US has had way too much inflation to be solvent. The second is allowing interest to be charged. Interest forces the printing of more and more money.

          • jvaljon1

            He never said that and you know it, you radical right-wing liar. You don’t know George Soros.

          • USAPatriotSC

            Read my post to ABBA’s above and look at the reply from the dirtbag rx7pj and see if it does not explain his comment perfectly.

          • Common sense, as you demonstrate, is the least common of the senses.

          • William McClure

            You don’t seem to be demonstrating it very well yourself. You might delude yourself that you are intelligent by staring at the pieces of toilet paper you have hanging on the wall saying you got a degree at such and such college but you don’t impress me as such.

          • As you learned in Ivy Rhetoric 101, ad hominem/ad feminam remarx & billingsgate render argument nugatory & opinion void; reply w/substance & respondent will be glad to entertain your views; however, his post-doc in empirical logic & various awards, here & abroad–not to speak of his status as a nat’l champion debater in the 1940s–suggest demolition is ineluctable…hazard away!

          • William McClure

            In plain English, so what?

          • ABBAsFernando

            You asked:

            http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

            Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

            24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them
            “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.

            25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting
            pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures,
            radio, and TV.

            26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal,
            natural, healthy.”

            27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
            “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
            intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

            28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
            schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation
            of church and state.”

            29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
            old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to
            cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

            30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as
            selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”

            31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the
            teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor
            part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history
            since the Communists took over.

            32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control
            over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare
            programs, mental health clinics, etc.

            33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the
            operation of the Communist apparatus.

            39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws
            as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose
            Communist goals.

            40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity
            and easy divorce.

            41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
            influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and
            retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

            42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
            legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
            special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united
            force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

            EVEN the Brain DEAD are able to comprehend these goals. Communist Sophists cannot alter the facts!

          • Rx7pj

            The statment was “tenure paved the way for communist professors to spread communism” I said that’s crap, because it is. Your pointing out the communist goals of 50 years ago is meaningless. It says NOTHING about tenure in there .
            What’s really sad is you actually believe some of this crap you wrote

          • ABBAsFernando

            Only one path to the end goal. Remember during the 1950’s Senator McCarthy highlighter the communist threat to sleeping Americans. McCarthy was not ruthless enough to complete the task. Communist propaganda or the science of DISINFORMATION developed in the former Soviet Union has proven its effectiveness on the weak minded

            The Holy Scriptures told us all in our era Slaves would exist who love their SLAVERY! Pretty much says it all..

          • McCarthy–so rotten he was repudiated even by dinosaur GOP [+ honorable guys like my nabor Everett Dirksen, who today would be assailed as a Kommunist].

          • ABBAsFernando

            Communist Propaganda or Political Correctness is SOVIET DISINFORMATION designed to FOOL the GULLIBLE. McCarthy was CORRECT as history has proven. VILE Liberal SCUM pretending to be loyal American citizens are nothing of the sort.

            Main Stream Media has become the mouthpiece of Communist Party USA. Thanks to this SCUM three million innocent men, women, and children were murdered by Communist Vietnamese scum. American won the Viet Nam War just after 1968 TET and North Viet Nam was ready to surrender. Communist Americans convinced Viet Nam communists to permit them to FOOL the GULLIBLE in America and the rest is history.

            If you have the courage to learn the TRUTH:

            The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War (The Politically Incorrect Guides)

            Paperback

            – February 23, 2010

            by

            Phillip Jennings

            (Author

          • William McClure

            RINOS (yawn)

          • Nap & rebut, if you have an argumentum definito, but don’t waste the time of published scholars, scientists, philosophers & nat’l champion debaters, busy filling empty heads, or repudiating vicious ones.

          • William McClure

            In other words more know- nothings.

          • Rx7pj

            McCarthy was insane. What he did was over 60 years ago and was disproved back then.
            Get a life, a REAL one

          • ABBAsFernando

            Actually it is INSANE to discount McCarthy. VILE LIBERAL SCUM certainly do EXIST as communist agents of destruction.

            Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

            5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

            6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            7 The
            instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to
            destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

            8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            King James Version (KJV)

            by Public Domain

            Pretty much nails you SCUM.

          • Nota Bene: we liberal scum hate Komunismus, for the customary reasons of butchery & prodigality, but also because charges thereof even now, 25 years post-Soviet kolaps, are hurled at us, notw/standing that we’ve always rejected the entire Bolshevik agendum…we are Populists: since before TR, we have denounced violence in any form–even in defense of our lives…ID your real enemies–runaway investment bankers & their slavering mymidons in the media…wake up–or your assets are gone forever down the drain of sub-prime, student & payday loans–designed to render you sub-pontic by the Koch Brothers & the Congresses they bought.

          • ABBAsFernando

            So very typical of LIBERAL sophistry. The Torah pinned you LIBERALS to the wall You do indeed speak villany, while your heart works iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against Jesus Christ.

          • Look up sophist, then look into shaving mirror…

          • ABBAsFernando

            Spoken like a true brainwashed Communist USEFUL IDIOT. You are the poster child for SOPHIST.

          • Order a supply-cide, tricky-down poster, + one of Pres. Cheney applying electrodes to testacles at Abu Graeb [no hoods, pls, if torture is Christian, let’s see the Big Picture].

            Then, return here for add’l bashing…machine-gun or no, you must be a masochist–few can take more than a couple rounds of humiliation at this champion-debater’s hands.

            Again, what will you do when the ammo runs out?…negotiate or die, amigo–charges of ‘Communism’ don’t stick to this 11th Airborne Korea Vet [a Republican before the Tea-Potty seized control].

            You remind us of a cyclone in a samovar…

          • Could you recommend a poster of Pres. Cheney applying electrodes to testacles at Abu Graeb? No hoods, nothing to be ashamed of–if Reds & Nazis do it, why not us? Judging by history it’s clearly Christian, snarkily speaking.

            Then come back here for add’l bashing if you dare–few can go more than a couple rounds w/this nat’l champion debater–but you are a DSM-V masochist, so he anticipates your return w/condign, slavering pleasure (:-).

            Drop the CAPS–makes people think you’re angry about something…en passant, what will you do when the ammo runs out?…swinging that machine-gun might be heroic, but more than a labor-of-love for a guy enfeebled by DSM-V hate!

            My guess is you hate y/self even more than atheists, Commies, faggots, Muzzies, nigger-lovers, wet-backs & tree-hugging, demand-side feminazis…no es verdad, amigo?

          • ABBAsFernando

            VILE LIBERAL SCUM are NAZIS fully capable of doing what you describe. Applying Peace TIME RULES during WAR is extremely CHILDISH behavior. In saner days it was called TREASON. I call it TREASON.

            Perhaps as the sword is hovering above your Neck you will wake the HELL UP. I will not hold my breath however. I am ANGRY about VILE LIBERAL SCUM TREASON. I have every right to be ANGRY.

            Why don’t you get the HELL out of America? Your hatred for America is abundantly CLEAR. Don’t let the door hit your sill ass.

          • glorybe2

            Actually the McCarthy nonsense is still going on. There are large numbers of right wing loonies who can make no real points at all and create a false enemy to launch their nonsense. We used to have a fellow in Florida who went about getting paid to give speeches about how the deadly Mafia was everywhere and influencing everything at all times. He actually made a living doing that and it was 99% bullshit. He accomplished nothing at all other than making a living.

          • Rx7pj

            I went to college during the 60’s and there was absolutely nothing resembling any of this crap in school of with ANY professors.

          • Give it up–he’s a loser, steeped in toxic resentment, half-consciously aware his values are dissolving in a tide of technocratic humanism [eventuating, acc. to Delphi projections, in mind & memory uploaded to clones, storage & exo-transmission, c. 2085-2120 CE].

          • ABBAsFernando

            You who choose to believe the LIE that is FASCISM [communism, Islam, and all like minded failed ideologies] are ripe for the trash heap of history. Being a brain washed follower of BULLSHIT you are quite happy living in the TRASH.

          • Billingsgate demos impotence; opinion w/o documentation just preaches to the choir [pre-toxined in any case by mendacity, racism, Red-baiting, jingoism & hegemonism]…get a job.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Nice try Comrade. I don’t believe a word of your DISINFORMATION. You are a Sophist. I am not a Wage Slave like you.

            Run along and worship your plastic Obama:

          • USAPatriotSC

            What you have written makes absolute sense, what the Liberals wrote in ideological nonsense. You know you can’t use logic, facts and common sense on Liberals, they refuse to think. Bronkema is just delusional and make zero sense, rx7pj stands for drugged out 7 year old sitting at his computer in pj’s collecting $.25 per post and he is just warped. He does not understand anything said to him, he will twist everything to fit his ideology. To reply to either one of them is futile, they can’t form or comprehend a rational thought. in other words they are Liberals who’s ideology is their sole purpose for living and can’t have a rational conversation because if they did they might actually have to listen and respond in a rational way. This is beyond their capabilities and I no longer even attempt any contact with them.
            Thank You for your service and I wish you could have gotten to some of those Communist animals all those years ago.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Thank you, I knew what they were actually doing in Viet Nam. For some unknown reason I was forced to sign documents of non disclosure of their activities. Anger on steroids. Enough time has elapsed now.

            This SCUM feel like they are getting away with criminal activities and they have up until now. TREASON is TREASON after all. If I had the power they would all be in Jail for TREASON or shot.

            VILE LIBERAL SCUM puppet masters call them USEFUL IDIOTS for good reason. THEY ARE.

            All those years ago the Air Force Police had to prevent me from getting to them. They did say they wish they could look the other way for awhile.

          • glorybe2

            We actually had high school courses that compared different forms of government both in advantages and disadvantages. Both communism, fascism and some monarchies have one advantage as far as speed goes. If a Chinese emperor wished to build a great wall a snap of the fingers and many thousand of workers jumped to the task. If Hitler wanted a bunker the same effect was in play. There need not be funds allocated, plans approved, permissions or voting or restraints of law.
            This gives powerful central governments way to much advantage under military stress. Right now if China wants to build a bunch of missiles they can build them and have them ready for use before our congress stops fussing over whether to do the same or not.
            If we want to survive and support our nation we need the same abilities and somehow must build these things into our system. It is not a matter of philosophy. It is simply addressing the real needs of our nation. But how many Americans would have screamed violation of my rights if we built sudden action into our government.

          • ABBAsFernando

            I remember the Torah relates the time when Israel was ruled by the commands of God alone. Surrounding nations had Kings and made similar arguments for the establishment of a King. God attempted to talk them out of the decision to no avail. So God picked a King. Freedom and Liberty of individuals ceased to exist under the rule of the King. Yes decisions were made but mistakes were made as well. Some quite serious. Israel suffered under the rule of its Kings.

            God is all about LIBERTY and FREEDOM of the individual. Free to choose how to live one’s life. To make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. Dictators or Kings use FORCE instead of freedom of choice.

            Fascism, Communism, Islam are all DICTATORSHIP forms of governments. All of them are EVIL.

            As for me I choose the Commandments of GOD and FREEDOM and LIBERTY of the individual.

          • glorybe2

            Regardless of religion there are practical matters that must be dealt with daily. Without some immediate authority chaos breaks out. You can see this in a microcosm in condominiums. In order to prevent chaos condos have rules and methods of enforcement of rules. Every owner agrees to the rules when they but an apartment. But watch how easily bitter disputes break out. All the governing body of a condominium can do is keep the conflicts down to a roar. Small towns can also be studied. There are factions and the degree of conflict must be controlled. Imagine a city with no law enforcement. There would be bodies in the streets and blood in the gutters.

          • ABBAsFernando

            The Laws of God apply to ALL even the Gods. Gods obey the law. They cannot LIE. EVIL uses laws to control and force others to the will of EVIL. Often EVIL leaders are tyrants who obey not the law.

            America came about by the will of God. The three branches of authority of government were designed expressly to divide power between opposing groups of men. The REAL government and authority of the government comes through the collective will of We the People.

            In America today government officials have open contempt for We the People of America. The very ones who pay their salaries and give them their power. Instead of working for the good of the People they only work for their own good.

            All government authority comes from GOD. Those governments who refuse to acknowledge God are invalid and we are to oppose them and resist them.

            No single man or group of men have the intelligence or talent to rule over men. Communism has proven this beyond doubt. Fascism of NAZI Germany failed miserably.

            A small group of extremely EVIL men are attempting to establish a FOURTH REICH as we speak. They will achieve limited success for a short time until they are DESTROYED and reduced to ashes.

          • Torah & NT are poor ciceroni to conscience & conduct [vide David’s ‘foreign policy’ v-a-v the Canaanites].

          • ABBAsFernando

            Plato hated people like you calling you sophists.

            Sophist

            one of those
            who, by their fallacious but plausible reasoning, puzzled
            inquirers after truth, weakened the faith of the people,
            and drew upon themselves general hatred and contempt.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Somewhere during the middle to late 1960’s many communist agents pretending to be college professors infested many colleges and universities. While the old guard of loyal American professors continued to exist they were being replaced with communist agents.

            During my time in Viet Nam combat working with spies, SEALS, and others we discovered money, medical supplies, and other aid directly from many American colleges and universities. We knew it and I am quite certain many military leaders knew it as well.

            I charged a line of communist useful idiots on the other side of the airfield fence when I arrived from Asia to San Francisco, CA. They backed off, way off as it was clear to them I would kill them if I had got to them. After several weeks of debriefing I was ordered to arrive early in the morning at the Air Port close to home. There a CIA agent met me to drive me home.

            My anger has grown ever more intense since then. I have the utmost contempt for liberals.

          • Vent spleen on your real enemies back then–McNamara, Kissinger, Goldwater, Nixon, those who urged LBJ to expand a war he hated–& on later enemies: Bush-II, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, the Koch Brothers, Boehner, McConnell…McCain, an honorable conservative, denounces Abu Graib

          • ABBAsFernando

            Apparently you continue to buy the DISINFORMATION of communist agents in America. Applying PEACE time law to WAR is TREASON. Shows a complete lack of comprehension of the Art of War. I recommend you study the Art of War by Sun Tzu a well respected authority on War.

            It takes real courage to face the TRUTH but it will set you FREE.

          • Cute pic…respondent read Sun Tsu in Mandarin & Hakka [just to sharpen his octogenarian brain]…what is your point? You can’t stop cultural evolution w/guns…shooting people just draws attention to their ideas & makes them
            martyrs–bad news for reactionaries & DSM-V nutters…make an appointment w/the nearest psychiatrist…hurry
            –before they commit you!

          • Right again!

          • ABBAsFernando

            WRONG as USUAL!

          • ABBAsFernando

            Not according to your Hero Mao .

          • Recovery began in March 2009 under BHO…shouldn’t you blame Shrub-II for the debacle of 2007?…or did Commies, faggots & feminazis cause it?

          • ABBAsFernando

            You VILE LIBERAL SCUM gonna BLAME BUSH eternally? At what point does your Mao-Obama take responsibility for his actions? Sophistry only goes so far.

          • jvaljon1

            The Iraq War – now and forever – hangs around Bush II’s neck like a rotting albatross grown fully into his flesh. His party also bears the smell of the vast betrayal that the Bush family committed in Iraq. And ABBAsFernando? Iraq will ALWAYS be hung onto the necks of the NeoConservative Bullshit Artists, and especially around the necks of all the BUSH FAMILY. Including those trying to cash in on what Bush II committed in Iraq, bankrupting America in that effort – no, not Jeb, but his son Prescott George who will, if I’m not too much mistaken, be running as the Republican for President in 2016.

            You and yours, Abbas, are the true scum. Think about that a bit, why don’t you, before you post against your betters.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Betters? P L E A S E! Hardly. Let me guess some communist agent pretending to be a “professor” told you that you have a BRAIN! Does not mean it is TRUE! In fact everything you think is true is a LIE! You are a USEFUL IDIOT of communist puppet masters! Too damn stupid to comprehend it.

            Not according to God:

            Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

            5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

            6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

            8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            King James Version (KJV)

            by Public Domain

            The churl is a miser.

            Your Bush derangement syndrome is a serious mental disease that needs immediate medical attention.

            Your Radical Communist Muslim Terrorist Kenyan OWNS the ISIS MESS! TOTALLY and COMPLETELY! You and your fellow communists HATE America and Christians as much as ISLAM. Everybody knows it!

          • glorybe2

            Back in 1962 there was a Klan meeting in a field near my home. I stopped to watch the freak show. Wouldn’t you know that the FBI was writing down license numbers where I parked. So somewhere there is probably a government file suggesting I was a KKK fan or whatever. And I am very certain that any association with the left would bring similar foolish practices from our government.

          • Indubitably–my FBI file occupied 2 cabinets by age 27; J. Edgar hated me; spositz bin digitized by now

          • Rx7pj

            I also lived the sixty’s. We are now in year 2015, all the crap you’re talking about doesn’t exist.

          • William McClure

            IT does. You’re living proof of it.

          • Rx7pj

            It truly sad that people as ignorant as you actually exist.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Exactly my thought concerning you.

          • William McClure

            And it is sad people like YOU exist as well.

          • Rx7pj

            From the mouth of the totally ignorant

          • William McClure

            And YOUR mouth spews its own putrid ignorance.

          • Rx7pj

            Are you really that afraid of the truth? ?

          • William McClure

            WHAT is truth? You DON’T know!

          • Rx7pj

            And you do??? LOL
            If you buy that crap ABBA…is peddling you have ZERO idea what the truth is.

          • William McClure

            I know enough not to expect to find it from the likes of you. Liars just tell lies.

          • ABBAsFernando

            WRONG! It existed then and it certainly does NOW! Obama the Muslim Kenyan SPY is a Saul Alinsky Communist RADICAL.

            Sticking your head into the sand does not remove the threat, it merely removes it from view. Remember you A.s.s makes a perfect target!

          • Rx7pj

            God you are really insane. There is no way to have a rational conversation with someone as warped as you.

          • ABBAsFernando

            There are none as blind as those who refuse to SEE!

          • glorybe2

            No it did not exist back then and it does not exist now. Politicians want people to live in fear. it helps them get elected and it enables all kinds of money to change hands. In the 1950s we saw movie stars branded as communists by both liberals and conservatives. Bobby Kennedy was even part of the McCarthy diatribes about supposed communists all around us. As it turned out none of the people blacklisted by the McCarthy commission turned out to be communists at all.

          • ABBAsFernando

            You are sadly misinformed. Most likely brain washed by Communist agents pretending to be college professors. Politicians are the lowest form of life. Liberal politicians are the lowest of all.

            Communist Spy Cell organized by STALIN himself was set up in Hollywood a fact of history. Many movie stars were actually communist agents like Jane Fonda and others. The Kennedy Brothers were linked to NAZIS in WWII and yes Communists in the Cold WAR years. I know I served in Naval Intelligence in the Viet Nam era. It was common knowledge. JFK’s daddy Joe had to bail him out over a NAZI female spy he was seeing during WWII. That is when JFK was drummed out of Naval Intelligence and sent to the PT boats.

            Joe Kennedy who was serving as Ambassador of England at the beginning of WWII sided with Hitler trying to talk England to side with the NAZIS. A fact of History again. He got recalled.

            Ted Kennedy was a VILE LIBERAL SCUM communist traitor of America. Plenty of proof of this in classified documents.

            Actually plenty of people were indeed communists blacklisted by the McCarthy commission. If I had been in power then I would have been much more ruthless.

            JFK , Bobby, and Teddy were all traitors of America another fact of history. The CIA, FBI, and others were complacent in JFK’s shooting. The all had their reasons. The Mafia was robbed of the campaign money they had given JFK on the promise of taking back Cuba and their property stolen by the Castro BASTARDS.

            You are FREE to swallow any bullshit you wish but the TRUTH will eventually be made known.

          • purplewings

            You’re right that it does exist and very strongly right now since Obama’s grandparents were admitted Communists and they raised him. What I wonder is why you waste your time trying to make people like this see what’s going on. They will never see anything except what they choose. They call it LALA LAND.

          • ABBAsFernando

            I am like a sheepdog defending the weak against the wolf and bear attacker. I agree they live in NEVERLAND of MAKE BELIEVE assuming they are all Peter Pan refusing to grow up. I know I will never alter what SOVIET DISINFORMATION has branded into the foolish mind but I also realize a few good people exist who are being FOOLED that I may enlighten.

          • ABBAsFernando

            In a word BULL SHIT!

          • glorybe2

            It never did exist. There are fools making a living on this nonsense. They run about spreading fear of supposed evil forces. They can rant about a New world Order, The Free masons, the mafia, the communists, the Tri laterals, the Catholic church, China etc. and will do so as long as they get attention, sell books or get on talk shows for pay. The US public is so messed up that they support these loonies. Imagine people who actually believed that Lucy was a communist demon and that I Love Lucy was a menace to our nation. Oh, I forgot the Greens and other environmental groups. I’m quite certain all they want to do is destroy my life with radical notions such as not clubbing baby fur seals to death.

          • Lucy of Peanuts? an indubitable demonatrix!

          • jvaljon1

            Now THERE’S a thought! Eliminate (decertify) the Republican Party….and replace them with the Green Party. Greens and Democrats. Republicans have done enough damage…more than enough!

          • glorybe2

            Everyone is sorry for soldiers who were in Vietnam. Those young people died in a foolish and false cause. So many came back completely ruined that it is beyond sad. But the truth is we were doing wrong there. We do not expect our soldiers to simply follow orders as that is exactly why we executed many German and Japanese soldiers. I do not blame people who sent food, clothing or medical supplies to people in the region, regardless of whether they were pro communist or not, as those people were suffering and usually had done no wrong at all.

          • ABBAsFernando

            WRONG! Communism is a CLEAR and PRESENT DANGER to WORLD PEACE. The same group of EVIL SCUM who created Communism also created FASCISM and ISLAM. The brotherhood of darkness, followers of CAIN a son of perdition.

            VIET NAM was betrayed by Vile Liberal Scum infesting America. Viet Nam was won on the battlefield way back in 1968 TET offensive. Communist agents and their useful idiots Vile Liberal SCUM convinced Ho Chi Mien to hold on while they fooled the Americans into giving Viet Nam away. Exactly what happened in 1975.

            If you have the courage to learn the TRUTH:

            The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Vietnam War (The Politically Incorrect Guides)

            Paperback

            – February 23, 2010

            by

            Phillip Jennings

            (Author)

          • glorybe2

            You are over the top nuts. Islam existed for over 1,000 years before communism existed. The idea that the same people created both communism and Islam is absurd. Communism did not exist prior to 1900 when Marx and Engels formulated the philosophy. We do know for a fact that a wretched doctrine of the “super man” was formulated in Germany before 1900 which led eventually to the Third Reich and also false doctrines like Ayn Rand spouted. Much of the US mode of philosophy also relates to the idea of the super man proving his worth in economic combat.

          • purplewings

            Everyone is WRONG and thank God YOU are always RIGHT. Makes me wonder how any of us survived so long without your magnificent imput. OMG! You have the nerve to call people names because only you have the facts and the opinions. That makes you over the top nuts. Although there are plenty of other comments that add to it quite well.

          • ABBAsFernando

            The know it alls always get it wrong most of the time. They think they are smarter than everybody in the room and therefore the authority. Much like Obama I hear. It has been my experience know it all’s see everything on face value. All that matters is appearance. What one appears to be so he is. Much like the Hollywood Liberal saying you look marvellous. Appearances is WORSHIPPED.

          • ABBAsFernando

            The Brotherhood of Darkness began the day after CAIN murdered his brother Able to gain his herds of sheep. Cain gloried in his “secret” of murdering to gain the property of others. Calling himself master Mahon he began a secret society that placed others under oath to him. Pain of DEATH for anybody revealing it. This secret society continues to exist to this very day.

            All who sell their SOUL to CAIN and this secret society are exactly like Germany’s NAZIS were and many of today’s Liberal communists and most of ISLAM.

            Consider this from over 2,500 years ago written down after a vision from God of our time today and shortly afterwards.

            Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

            5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

            6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

            7 The instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to
            destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

            8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

            King James Version (KJV) by Public Domain

            Even naming the label used by today’s NAZIS the Liberals. The Churl is a miser that fits the profile of today’s banker to a “T” I believe.
            It is my believe that this sort of individual has always existed before this Earth existed.

          • Com. Manifesto pub’d 1848.

          • William McClure

            You’re just too blind and dumb to see it.

          • Rx7pj

            Wrong , moron. There was NOTHING to see.
            Get a life

          • William McClure

            Says the fool.

          • Rx7pj

            Did you even go to school?? At ALL????

          • William McClure

            Yes, did YOU even LEARN anything? You’re totally clueless just like Sgt. Shultz on Hogan’s Heroes. You know nozink, see nozink, hear nozink. You’re pathetic and yet you try to be patronizing to us “unwashed.”

          • Rx7pj

            Get a life , moron

          • William McClure

            My life’s just fine. YOU get a life, you pompous windbag.

          • Rx7pj

            You think your life is fine ??? You’re suffering from delusional paranoia, you think there are communist around every corner. You have NO life .
            Your insult is a perfect description of YOUR commentary.
            Wake up before they put you in a home

          • William McClure

            I don’t THINK my life is fine. I KNOW it’s fine. YOUR irrational gibbering is irrelevant.

          • purplewings

            There are plenty of Communists in this country whether you like it or not. Several of them added that to their bio in our House of Representatives and the Mayor of New York proudly announced himself as a Communist prior to being elected. You would really do well to look around at what’s actually happening instead of living in the past. Things are much different today than they were in the 60’s and that’s the truth.

          • Rx7pj

            I did a lot a checking on the Internet and did not find anything to support your claims. There ARE people, extreme right wingers, making claims like de Blasio is communist and that idiot West saying there are 80 communists in the house. But NO, ZERO facts of any of those being true.
            I don’t live on the past, I was responding to people talking about the red scare of the 50’s . Yes things are a lot different today but communism is NOT a big threat today.

          • glorybe2

            West is a stark raving lunatic at times.

          • Rx7pj

            Yes he is and what’s really sad is a lot of the tea party people actually believe him.

          • purplewings

            I have a feeling he would say the very same thing about you. You live here and enjoy all this country has given and then run around making the USA out to be always the bad guy. You make me sick!

          • purplewings

            You mean just like you? lol

          • glorybe2

            Communism was never a threat until we made it so. For example we had an expeditionary force invade Russia before 1920. There are US soldiers buried on Russian soil. The battle was called the Battle of Arch Angel. The idea was to test Russian strength by sending an invasive force and seeing how far they could advance before being pushed back or killed. As WW11 wound down General Patton pushed for war with Russia as his opinion was that they were strong enough to fight and therefore were automatically an enemy. We created hostile relations with the USSR which was uncalled for and stupid and almost resulted in an all out nuclear war. Make note that the USSR never invaded US territory and were a vital ally in WW11.

          • purplewings

            Did you by any chance google it? That’s where I got a list of our Representatives that openly state they are Communists. The Mayor of New York said it very publicly and should be easy to find. He has not pretended it is a secret. I did save mine for years but my computer blew up and I just don’t feel like searching. I know it to be a fact and you can google as easily as I. I also don’t in any way consider Allen West an idiot. He served honorably for many years and has been very political every since. He would have won the last election if there hadn’t been such blatant cheating. Communism comes after Socialism. I wonder if you recognize that we are in a Socialist country……. When I am required to buy insurance for someone who could not or would not work, that is certainly Socialism.

          • Rx7pj

            As I stated I did use “google” in my searches and could not find anything like you stated. There were a lot of posts saying they thought there are a lot of communists in the house but no list especially of those stating they are communist. As far as de Blasio the closest I could find waa a statement he made saying he supports democratic socialism. Thats NOT communism.
            Allen West may have served our country and I appreciate his service, bu t he’s still an idiot He lost the last election because of his idiotic statements, there was NO blatant cheating. I don’t know why you keep clinging to that lie.
            We are a long way from being a Socialist country and atry in absolutely NO danger of becoming communist. Why don’t you look Up The Definition Of communism.
            By the way you are NOT required to buy insurance for anyone else. Your thought process is that since you pay taxes and they don’t you buy their insurance you could say the same thing about the roads we drive on or the power we use. Ridiculous.

          • purplewings

            LOL You are the ridiculous one to say we are not Socialist and in no danger of being Communist. Even Obama finally admitted he was a Socialist. Keep your denials going. It’s going to be very painful for future generations.

          • Rx7pj

            Obama NEVER admitted he was a socialite because he’s NOT. The ONLY people that think that are people like you and thank God there aren’t very many of you around.
            What actually going to hurt our future generations is the right continuing to obstruct any chance of repairing our infrastructure, Our roads, bridges and power grid are falling apart around us and the republicans DON’T care. Rebuilding the infrastructure would put millions of Americans back to work and jump start our economy.
            By the way just because we have socialist programs (medicare, social security) does NOT make us socialist.

          • purplewings

            I just went and googled this and posted a link for you to read. There were many links over there but I’ve already done that and think you can find them if you try.

          • Rx7pj

            What link???

          • Communism as an ideology was feeble–except in the 30s-40s in Europe…the Krasnaya Armia, on the other hand, could have been a menace in the hands of a madman–but Stalin was cautious…Krushchoff was a loose cannon, briefly…the enemy now is Christian & Islamic fundamentalists [e.g., Charlie Hebdo].

          • Sources?

          • purplewings

            http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/communists-in-congress-just-count-em/……. This wasn’t where I originally got the information. I google things and read as many of both yea and nay’s as I have time for. There were several sources on Google a few years ago. This article quoting from the book only named a few….but I’m sure you can google without my instruction.

          • William McClure

            He isn’t writing a stinking term paper for you, moron, nor does he, I, or ANYONE else need a stupid grade from you.

          • Comment intended for someone else?…but again–reflexive ad hominem billingsgate condemns your rmx to digital oblivion…only REASON & EVIDENCE persuade, amigo–that’s why respondent, tho merciless in blasting unsound ideas & pseudo-facts [oft advising confinement of pistol-waving haters], never attacks the person…it’s not your fault that you’ve plunged headlong into the DSM-V; it’s not respondent’s that he thrives on skepticism & stares down the gunbarrel of extinction w/condign pleasure, anticipating release from cosmological conundra in the Void!

            This historian of science & philosophy urges you to compare & contrast the various religions & ideologies of the past 5KY, starting w/Sumer, Mohenjo-Daro & Harappa [if cognable]…lagniappe re Marx: he was 100% correct in his diagnosis of what Smith had forecast [w/prophylaxis], but wrong v-a-v long-term prognoses [he would never have been a Bolshevik: violence was ok to overthrow the bourgeois, but not to slaughter them].

            Kropotkin envisioned a world of 5K-person autochthonous villages…ironically, cheap 35-60% conversion solar & dense aeolian batteries, + 3-D printing of animal protein could render the self-sustaining village practical, assuming peripheral terrawatt lasers to repel ravening cannibal Arbustogees [Arbusto: Spanish for shrub].

            So, instead of hurling imprecations, how about addressing supra w/courtesy & refined analysis?…welcome your views on uploading mind & memory to clones, storage or transmission to multiple remote loci for safe-keeping [e.g., Colonia Martialis & Via Lactea]…does the soul survive duplication/triplication? is JC germane to aliens? [vide Francis Vaticanis].

          • William McClure

            This is a conservative site. IT is NOT a classroom to spew your nonsense here. Yes, the 1st Amendment permits you to be here and spew your nonsense here. That same 1st amendment permits us “unwashed” conservatives to VIGOROUSLY voice our dissent to your foolishness.

          • Take cold shower, read politically conservative R.T. Schaefer’s superb “Sociology: A Brief Introduction”, 7th Edition et seq, McGraw-Hill, 2008 C.E.

            RTS oft-awarded; senior faculty of DePaul U., not exactly a hotbed of Flaming Commies or Al Sisi Caliphate butchers…of course, you can pull charges of ‘trahison d’etat’ ex vacuo–a talent welcome on Fox.

          • William McClure

            YOU take a cold shower. You don’t want to waste your time on conservative sources why should I waste my time perusing your progressive propaganda.

          • jvaljon1

            This is NOT a “conservative” site, you idiot! It’s for everyone. If you can’t refute an argument, then don’t – but don’t mis-characterize Disqus as anything “conservative”…..Sheesh!

          • So, if you have evidence of these deadly nonagenarian House Commies, report them to Speaker Boehner at once, so they can be tarred, feathered & run off the Hill [keep in mind that no stateside Communist was ever sentenced for sedition]…the Rosenbergs were executed pursuant to J. Edgar-coerced testimony of Ethel’s brother, which he confessed was pure mendacity…unsourced opinion is juridically worthless–& false charges oft eventuate in life-sentences for black men here & death for journalists & ‘blasphemers’ abroad [viz: Russia, Egypt, Iraq, Syria, Al Saudi & the ‘Stans’]…if this church-burner is deficient in axiological credibility, read ‘front-pages’ of any newspaper or simulacrum thereof…allegations of incubi convict you of kindergarten silliness before the bar of history, & ensure repudiation by stirps & grand-stirps…who’s the source of your misery? surely not a feckless, mini-phalanx of secular populists inspired by Jane Addams, LaFollett, Norris, Nader, TR, FDR, LBJ & BHO…post 21 Jan 2017, electoral & campaign reform could emasculate the kind of Koch-fraud that gave us genocidal Pres. Cheney…you’ll be happy to hear that racism, by contrast, will likely persist 300 years, pending ethnic merger–exponential heterosis will ensure a panoply of benisons, as per Biology 101….imagine: your grand-daughter might espouse one of these chromatic daemons!

          • William McClure

            Lifted from Pravda.

          • Having survived 11th Airborne & NATO [JAG], respondent’s original focus was Soviet Affairs, hired by NSA as a Russ- language cryptanalyst; at Columbia, he was notorious for an absurd 1956 prophecy that the USSR would collapse w/in 30 years–it happened de facto w/Gorby in 1986 & de jure per Yeltsin in 1991…it was obvious to him that GOSPLAN was unworkable, as all costs & prices were determined by ukaz [fiat], instead of via market ‘chaos’…that modest adumbration & others propelled respondent ubernacht to the top of several disciplines [vide bio], even real-estate development [lousy model for aspiring Bolsheviks].

            Not even Komunisti credit Pravda [‘truth’], all Russ papers are censored to conform w/views & policies of that smarmy ‘hashashayin’ & anti-zapadnik, Vlad Putin…Komersant [Commerce] occasionally prints a remark that might be construed ‘liberal’, but that monicker has suffered many oxymoronisms since J.S. Mill in 1864; today it’s hurled as curse & execration…Hillary is the business candidate, incapable of reforming capitalism [i.e., the banks]…Liz Warren’s actual views/policies, like mine as her presumptive editor, are Populist in the tradition of Jane Addams, TR, LaFollette, Norris, Wallace, FDR, Truman, LBJ, BHO…it’s like this, amigo–Molotov cocktails can only take a movement so far, & risk eventuating in Fascism [corporatist dictatorship], wherein people like me are arrested, tortured for fun & shot [country hasn’t yet plunged all the way, but the Palmer Raids, Sacco-Vanzetti, HUAC, Rosenberg case, McCarthy, Cheney, Abu Graeb & Guantanamo will suffice til Bush-III seizes the Offal Office–then gumbawa bwana].

            Why does respondent bother rebutting you & your certifiable peers? Vide his book “Epiphanet”…your side is bound for the oblivion of all deracinated ideology [our views will be subsumed by definition in the technocratic axiology of transhuman moderation]…confess your sins–der Sensenmann ist schnell gekommen!

          • William McClure

            another rant by a railing progressive fool

          • Still waiting for courteous rebuttal, well-documented w/citations from scholarly journals, wiki, etc…mere opinion [yours or mine] is junk-mail…your contumacy–or inability to rebut w/logic & cite independent sources–means you will keep loosing here–& suffer orchiectomy in the so-called free-market: a polka-dot unicorn demolished by Keynes [1920s], Stieglitz [1970s], Krugman [1990s], Piketty [pee-ka-TEE] in 2014 et alia numerosa…maybe you should reconsider your hatred of Obama, now that he’s soaring toward those ‘shining uplands’ Smiley Ron blathered about, while hurling us down to S&L ignominy.

          • William McClure

            Keep righton waiting til doomsday. You’re irrelevant.

          • jvaljon1

            Awww…William! You got all your smarts from TV-land, after dropping out of ConservaU!

          • William McClure

            Oh, and I suppose wearing a certain outfit around your professors got you your smarts.

          • glorybe2

            I also was in college in the 1960s and never had any liberal diatribes or slants from professors. I did have one teacher who was a campaign manager for Barry Goldwater in Arizona who was very right wing.

          • jvaljon1

            I don’t think that Goldwater was ANYTHING like the critters we have today who call themselves Republicans. This is a whole different ball game.

          • Finest example of DSM-V paranoia respondent has ever read–sounds like a conflation of Bachman & the erstwhile Alaska gubernatrix, conjuring Phyllis Schlaffly during the worst of her menses….if one ever doubts his analytical prowess, he can just sample some digital comments…why do so many haters & maniacs gravitate to these sites? maybe the Kochs have seized their jobs & they’re home alone, or nobody else will listen…we, of course, get to practice our epistolary skills & while the hours awaiting H. borg syntellis.

          • ABBAsFernando

            Communist Sophistry aside your bullshit has little to no effect/affect on me. THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!

          • glorybe2

            I don’t think you really want the facts. First we have no doubt that the founders were alcoholics and drinking when they adopted the Constitution. Further they were a vile and violent lot dedicated to labelling people as non people and using them up and murdering them. What kind of swine are we to grumble over Mexicans crossing the border when we stole one third of our nation from Mexico with sword and gun? We also stole Florida from Spain. Does anyone mention that the founders committed treason against their king? How many know that George Washington was a British colonel who could not get promoted before becoming a traitor to his king and army? How much land was stolen from native Americans after we signed treaties that were to last as long as the sun rises or the rivers flowed? One can make a good case that the founders were a cluster of dreadful, violent, criminals with less decency than pirates that roamed the seas.

          • ABBAsFernando

            VILE LIBERAL SCUM shun the TRUTH much like the movie vampire shuns the morning Sunshine. Your foolish swallowing of the lies of SOVIET DISINFORMATION concerning America is astounding.

            Despite communist propaganda fooling the gullible like you and others few if any take the time to research the facts for themselves.

            Sophistry concerning Mexico is a vain attempt to rewrite history. Mexico lost land to a WARS fought by Texas and again in the 1840s. Mexico got paid money for the Western lands. Read History you DOLT.

            You are so STUPID you don’t know that so-called American Indians wiped an entire race of people off the Americas about 350 AD. They were fair and looked exactly like Scandinavians of today. Then much later they returned to retake lands they lost to war. Those lands are the Americas!

            Communist Propaganda or SOVIET DISINFORMATION fools the GULLIBLE and low information individual like you.

            Your buddies the Muslims, Communists, Muslims are all barbarians who only respect FORCE! One day when you become an adult you may learn this lesson. Most likely not as you will be dead by then.

          • glorybe2

            Have you drank from a rabid dogs bowl?

          • ABBAsFernando

            Never drink from others containers including yours.

          • jvaljon1

            Right, ABBAs….some brains might leak into your head by mistake (as, clearly, there are none to leak out)…OH THE HORROR!!!

          • ABBAsFernando

            Communist indoctrination is not EDUCATION it is indoctrination. Obama proves Ivy League education is not any such thing. Liberalism is Communism on steroids. We the People are waking up to the FACTS of LIFE.

            Higher education and colleges and univeristies are oxymoron. Once maybe not any more.

          • jvaljon1

            He looks the part, too, doesn’t he? Hey ABBAs – had your rabies shot yet? We VILE LIBERAL SCUM don’t want to catch anything nasty just by looking at you

          • purplewings

            Just make up your own history. Do you also know what they had for dinner? What they conversed about as a family and what kind of sex life they had??? Just make it up. It works for you but not anyone with an actual brain. I sure hope you aren’t living in America, taking the opportunities capitalism has given to everyone and daring to utter such outrageous comments. Truth is plain in the way our country has ran for 239 years, giving us all freedom, equality and opportunity, and you dare to talk as if those who worked so incredibly hard creating a foundation that would last forever, were idiots! What a fool you are.

          • glorybe2

            Several million black slaves might disagree with you about opportunities as would many exterminated tribes of native Americans. Are you aware that it was illegal to teach a black person to read or write in Mississippi until 1938? And yet the ignorant spit words like equality. There are quite a few Vietnamese that were bombed, burned, tortured and slaughtered who might have some tiny disagreements about how wonderful the US is. And of course it was fine and dandy for us to put nuclear missiles next to the Russian borders but it was a provocation for nuclear war when they put a few missiles 90 miles from our shores. That is because we believe in equality. You know, equality, when you let the other people do exactly what you do. Ever read the UN Bill of Rights? The US agreed to it in writing. Never came close to honouring it however. Oh! Trust us, trust us! We never lie.

          • purplewings

            I would love to have your millions of slaves come to me. I’ve never seen or had one of my own. In fact, there are still slaves in many areas of the world, like the middle east and Africa. Why do you choose to harp on something that happened here that was happening everywhere at the same time? We were among the leaders to end slavery. I would dare say there are none living on this day but I’d welcome them for a cup of coffee and some real serious conversation. Perhaps we could talk about the Civil War or the Marches where blacks and whites marched together against it, and for integration and equal rights; as well as Affirmative Action and many other things. That’s called progress and evolution. When people learn better – they do better. As far as Native Americans, I have many friends who love the fact that this country is no longer a barren pit with a handful of people battling each other. They have acclimated and love our country. Only people looking for reasons to criticize have a problem with our nation. BTW……no one owns land. It is the property of those who fight for it and defend it. We built this country because we love it. Live in the past if you like or grow in the future…..we are free and have choices. You can live wherever you feel comfortable, including a Communist country. No one needs to turn this free country into one that is not free. They are already out there. Just move. You do understand that over a period of 200 years, there is telephones and electricity, running water and refrigerators. That’s progress.

          • glorybe2

            Right off the top your facts are wrong. The US hardly led the way in the abolition of slavery. England outlawed slavery many years before the US did. And to describe native Americans as happy about it all is ludicrous. There have been armed confrontations with federal cops on reservation grounds in recent years. And we still fail to honour treaties with the various tribes. For example the usurpation of reservation land for things like pipelines, highways etc. is not uncommon. Money owed to tribes is also unpaid and there has been national news on that scandal.
            I would seriously suggest that you review the United Nations Bill of Rights which the US signed and agreed to. Tell me how many violations we commit daily. As far as freedom goes you are not free in the US now. Your words and papers are subject to wire taps. Try getting a covered wagon and trying to cross the nation. Try to feed yourself by fishing and hunting and you will be bowled over by regulations and seasonal limits. Defend your life as George Zimmerman did and watch what society does to you. Try living without being subservient to an employer. If you never have an employer how could you invest?
            It is a common game to puff up and declare how wonderful the US is. Just how thrilling and wonderful were the war vets from WWI,WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam and recent desert wars? They were treated like used toilet paper by our government. Why is it that when we see veterans who are broken and fallen into mental illness, alcoholism and drug addiction that we do not provide long term care for them, shelter, food etc.? When we see counties like Miami-Dade how is it that we have thousands of homeless who remain unsheltered every night?
            And our barbaric neglect is aided by flag waivers with puffed up chests who are deliberately blind to what is at hand? Simple ideas can fix many things. How about having beat cops do a walk through of every nursing home every week without prior notice. Simple things like odors or bug droppings can be seen in a five minute walk through and other authorities summoned if any questions arise. But you see first we have to admit that we have many seniors in really lousy facilities and the flag waivers simply do not want to know about it.

          • purplewings

            You really have a serious need to prove how smart you are don’t you? I know the facts. I got straight A’s in all my history classes. However I talk to people as a peer not as a teacher. Please do not tell me I’m wrong again, because my experiences have proven to be different than yours. Perhaps it’s you who are wrong. OOOoh I know that thought hurts.

          • glorybe2

            Spain freed all slaves in Florida in the 1500s.. When the US acquired Florida slavery was reinstated and in play until after 1865. There is no way to claim the US led the way in banning slavery. Apparently your history teachers were either not aware or forbidden to tell the truth.

          • It has RUN 227 years [1787 – 2014]…quod erat arguendur.

          • purplewings

            You are so smart!!!!

          • On the other hand, you are more creative–you invent enemies more minatory than the Caliphate itself [ka-LEE-fayt].

          • jvaljon1

            First of all, purple, go open a Webster’s and see what capitalism really is – a slave system. (SEE TRIANGLE SHIRTWAIST FIRE). The only people who benefit from capitalism, are the super-Capitalists, like DeVry, Koch and those. Our Founders were creating a country based on FREEDOM FROM RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION, you NINNY! They were peaceful FARMERS! Purple – go back to school, and learn about your own country before showing the world how dumb you are.

          • purplewings

            I don’t know you and do know I did not call you names, but that may be because I’m not child and not a vindictive SOB. Just for the record I attended school in the fifties and sixties when there were no unions and teachers actually cared about the students progress. What I find amazing is that people like you seem to believe you have all the answers and the only truth. We came here for FREEDOM OF RELIGION, and less taxes and less government. Are you sure you aren’t the fool? At 72, I don’t think I need to go back to school. I’ve done all of it and think I’m pretty well informed. I quite well know what Capitalism is all about. Everything has been bastardized over the decades and various leaders, but please don’t try to make me believe you alone have the answers. That just makes you DUMB.

          • Our crimes are many & divers, but the Founders are best described as members of an elite bourgeoisie, whose Constitution was a marvel at the time, tho gravely obsolescent now in terms of executive impotence: no line-item veto, no authority to reorganize depts or appoint ministers & judges, limited power to advertise…[respondent is a native populist, not a psychotic Commie, Muslim, faggoty, tree-hugging feminazi…Reactionaries, bloviate!

          • Greyguy

            First who did the indians take the land from, I believe there were a number of tribal nations fighting each other from time to time over centuries. So what makes them so noble? Mexico, a conglomeration of tribal cultures as violent as any we have seen any where building an empire. A lot of the pot calling the kettle black, these would not be recognized today as civilized societies; so what is your point and where are your facts. For instance, as part of some of those indian treaties the indians were supposed to sign up to be citizens which they forgot to do. Something tells me no one was going to honor those pieces of paper, sort of like a Middle East cease fire. The intent was not honorable all the way around. And to this day it is a mess and shouldbetaken apart. No one should have special priviledges in America, period.

          • glorybe2

            Paleo Indians came to the New World 14,000 years or so ago. There were no humans to take the land from so you might argue that they pushed bears off of portions of the land.
            Next problem is that wrong is wrong and it does not matter if other people did bad things. it does not justify what we have done one bit. What is insane is to somehow spout American superiority as if we were somehow better than other nations. Charles Dickens remarked that when he opened his front door in London he saw 10,000 criminals walking about. It was his way of saying that all people are criminals.
            In the US you can bet that everyone you know breaks quite a few laws even when they think or pretend that what they are doing is just fine. The simple truth is that we have a lot of laws and that one way or another we break laws. Yet only certain people have laws applied to them. As a matter of morality we all know that our jails and prisons commit crimes against humanity. So take a peek at a jury. Is it more moral to lock a person up or to refuse to lock them up no matter what they might do in the future? To what degree do you think law enforcement actually causes crimes? How many burglars commit burglaries to pay their bondsman or defense lawyer? How many wives of men in prison turn to selling drugs or prostitution to support the children of jailed criminals? How many crimes are committed by enraged men who are released and seeking revenge for being in jail?

          • Greyguy

            So you are willing to have countries within countries and citizens within countries with different classes of rights; welcome to Shiites, Sunnies, and, Kurds; the Caste system and the like. Aren’t we chaotic enough as a society to grant special rights, or open our borders and then support those who will not work, where does it end, only in chaos and the Mad Max scenerio. You can talk morality, but when you come for what I have earned to give to the border jumpers welcome to the Mad Max chaos theory.

          • glorybe2

            I don’t know where you get this different rights stuff. What i have pointed to is that we are on the verge of eliminating employment completely. The entire purpose of technology is the replacement of effort. Now technology is actually replacing human workers. And it will accelerate quite quickly. It doesn’t matter if it is a doctor, a lawyer, a brink layer, or the counter staff at McDonalds. How many bookkeepers and accountants lost their trade to computers in recent years? Walk into a Japanese motorcycle factory and machines do the work with very few humans involved. This is no longer a matter of retraining workers. It is a matter of entire trades being eliminated. So we are left with a situation in which companies will pay 100% of the nations tax needs and people will receive their pay checks from the government. Without those pay checks no one would be able to support the factories and businesses. The businesses will still compete with each other to get your money. But old modes of thought must now vanish. In twenty years we will here arguments of whether our robots can compete with Chinese robots without protectionist import taxes. The Chinese just 3D printed a six story apartment building as well as a home. Can you imagine construction workers all being unemployed in the US? The few that are needed would have to work for very low wages. The Tesla auto company is already advanced enough not to need dealerships and that is causing an uproar. About the only item on a Tesla that actually requires a mechanic is the brake maintenance which any brake shop can provide. Electric motors can be swapped out by any small shop. A broken window by any car glass installer is another example. So what would require a mechanic in a dealership? And since the car is selling like hot cakes without dealers why would they want to support dealerships?

          • Greyguy

            I’ve read all your posts ranging from indians rights to communist governments being fair in nature. Your advocacy for fairness is great, but doing it through a government is naive and dangerous. Between Russia’s and China’s communists they have starved and executed tens of million of people in the name of being eccuminical, more like they didn’t agree or were in the way and we couldn’t feed them! Governments cannot run businesses efficiently or effectively and they misuse technology at every turn, look at the NSA. The Government needs technology everywhere and we use it to spy on our citizens not to defend ourselves, go figure. The major problem with a Tesla is that it runs on a SECONDARY energy source which means at least a third of the electricity is lost in production and transmission and we would have to double to triple the production of electricity if we all drove electric cars. Since two thirds of our electric power comes from COAL, where do we get resonably priced power? Our government is way to tangled withnlarge corpoations via lobbying and needs to stepback and let the smaller businesses create jobs through technology and lift the useless regulations that do not help the environment or the workforce or the citizens in general.

            Right now the current administration has stifleed small business to the point that it is creating new business at an ever slowing rate ever since Obama has been in office due regulations and lack investment capital.

          • glorybe2

            Russia absolutely killed millions of people under both the Czar and the communists. China also killed large numbers of people but so has the US. The point is that no government is fair but we are also stuck with the fact that we must have government. incidentally one reason for the US constitution is that not only the government in its various branches can not be trusted but also the people can never be trusted. That is why we have a constitutional republic instead of a democracy.
            But current developments in technology now force us into some form of socialism. There simply is no other, real world choice. We are already about half way socialist and now we must become far more socialist to survive.
            As far as electric cars go we can absolutely use solar panels in much of America to charge our cars. Wind power also works well in some areas. Global warming pushes reluctant nations away from coal and oil. Germany is now half wind and solar powered and the weather conditions in Germany are far worse for this than in the US. Resistance to change is the psychological barrier and greed is another barrier. But we are going to solar, wind and wave and really have no choice now. Many areas in W. Virginia and Kentucky are already lost due to proximity to coal mining and will probably take centuries to be decent to live in again. If you contact the Fish and Game people in those states you will find almost all rivers, creeks and lakes labelled as no eating of fish or one serving a year acceptable due to mine contaminants in the water. I wonder how much vegetables raised in those areas pick up toxic compounds from irrigation or air born pollution. Imagine milk cows drinking in those ponds and creeks and you’ll see the problem.

          • Greyguy

            We are never forced into socialism and it has only been successful in one place[Sweden] where there is a culturally homogeneous society that has a strong sense of community and social conscience. We do not have either, and we have taught our younger generations to be takers and to not put anything back into the system as they age. We have also spawned two generations of welfare takers who are unskilled and have no intention of getting a job if they can avoid it, welcome to partial socialism and the “safety net that does not end and the growth of dependency, more so under this POTUS and less of us working and no Manufacturing base to pay for it.
            Technology in no way forces socialism since it creates jobs. It’s government and its unholy alliances with unions and lobbyists that create the socialist atmosphere where the government lives to grow and attain more power. What we are experiencing lately is not socialism but Facism since the government is merely telling us what to do with our lives and assets with out owning the assets. Some regulation is necessary to control pollution, but the level of regulation we are experiencing is actually stifling job growth and new business development. Since This administration has been in Office the rate of new businesses opening has been declining steadily due over regulation and investors moving their money away from new ventures to overseas opportunities.

          • glorybe2

            Europe is full of socialist countries and many are doing far better than the US.
            You mentioned growth. Growth is a plague. The plague we call growth is driven by excessive populations swelling ever larger. Each person creates pollution both directly and indirectly. When you create millions of new children you assure decay of the environment no matter how you try to live a cleaner, gentler life. If you want to see what growth does go to Brooklyn, Detroit, the Bronx, Chicago or any place in the rust belt. Go to Memphis. Go to Los Angeles . Go to Miami. Growth will horrify you and if you don’t run fast enough some citizen in these “growth places” is likely to murder you.
            Here is the essential issue. If you live in Detroit you are taught to believe that the people in Detroit must bring in money from elsewhere as if money from local sources was no good at all. The same is true in Miami. For over a century Miami has pulled every trick in the book to get tourists to come to Miami. The ever present lie is that the people in and around Miami could never support themselves. All of this nonsense is based on a silly degree of greed that teaches that we all must gather wealth from far away places. This nonsense is a tenant of capitalism and is taught at the great expense of the public and it leaves nothing but death and despair in its evil wake.

          • Greyguy

            Those cities are not growth problems , they are liberal policies being played out in real time, soak the middleclass until they flee because they cannot afford the taxes to support the blotted unionized government workforce and the policies to support the welfare class that has figured out they do better by not working. These are the essence of what happens when the capitalists are driven off. The greed is in the liberal progressive class who seem to not realize that you must produce a good or service at a profit in order to employ people and have money available to pay taxes to support the government services and jobs they so badly crave. BUT you cannot go overboard or you will drive them away and put them out of business and then you have Detroit and the others will follow.

          • glorybe2

            If you read history at all you would know that cities seeking growth do everything they can to attract workers and thus swell the populations of the cities. Then as industries no longer need these workers a welfare class is created. At some point the taxes required to keep these bloated cities up and running cause people who have more money to flee the cities. Unrestrained capitalism actually causes huge welfare issues. The path of the transactions is that the rich own companies that need workers. Those companies do not maintain a need for those workers and the rich are able to flee the areas they have spoiled. The process takes decades but that is why you see a bankrupt Detroit and the horror stories such as northern New Jersey and many other areas that were boom areas in the past. It aslo causes inflation for all of us and you might consider inflation a theft against your earnings. Every time goods and services increase in price the government gets a bigger slice due to tax bracket creep. The state works the same way. If a lollipop costs 20 cents at 6% tax rate and that lollipop inflates to $1. then the state gets 6% of one dollar but the business that sells the lollipop is taxed according to their total intake on a progressive scale so inflation increases state revenue which is somewhat used to pay for welfare type programs.

          • Greyguy

            It is impossible for capitalism to cause welfare. Welfare is a construct of the government whether it be corporate or individual welfare, if the government does not sanction it , it does not happen. It is one of the reasons that government grows, it is one of the ways that those in government design programs to attract voters and then the citizens do not want to give up the goodies. Both parties do it, the Democrats have done more of it in the for of entitlements, the Republicans like tax incentives. Where do you fget these economic notions? Workers come for work which is not provided by governments, only businesses, when they fail or are regulated and taxed to death, the workers move on. Welcome to reality. If governments create stifling business environments like our current administration has done in the US, new businesses open at a slower rate and investment money dries up.
            Government does not create jobs, but it can help the business environment or not.

          • glorybe2

            First welfare is usually a government construct. The economy is also a government construct. the notion of capitalism as part of the economy is also a government construct.
            But going to the facts that we can actually measure workers do not move on when work becomes scarce. Brooklyn and The Bronx, New Orleans, Memphis and the entire Mississippi delta are examples of areas with millions of displaced workers not moving on. Now look at places where workers actually have moved on. Who pays to clean up the myriad of problems left by a shrinking population? Go to Flint Michigan. You can buy a home really cheaply there. Sometimes they even give away homes for free to try to get rid of the expenses of demolition in unpopulated neighborhoods. Yet businesses attracted workers quite deliberately in an attempt to hold the price of labor down. Those businesses have vanished and the public is stuck holding the bag.. In some areas of our country we are able to control population density by building codes that demand a fairly large lawn around each home. Being that the land is often quite expensive the effect is to spread out the population over a larger area. That creates other issues such as housing for the poor tends to not exist at all. It also means a certain extra amount of pollution as items such as school buses and mail delivery involve a lot more driving. Water and sewer pipes as well as power lines are also much longer and the fertilizer that keeps lawns nice tends to beat up lakes and rivers. And I can promise you that town governments love very expensive homes capable of bearing a heavy tax load.

          • Greyguy

            The reason Michigan is such a mess is the American auto industry responded to the Japanese by lobbying the gorvernment for tariffs insted of becomming more competitive and telling the unions that work rules needed to change. The companies did not fight the unions and used the tarif on the Janpanese cars to raise prices instead of increase production and work with the unions to become more competitive with their quality in the 70’s; everybody took the profits, including the workers and taxing authorities and ran. Well the Japanese played the long game and the buying public got sick of Detroits junk and guess what happened…the great cluster in Detroit. Unfortunately the city did not steamline it self and heaped the city workers with gold plated benefits while the city was in a crisis and everyone else was pulling in their belt. The city father tried to bleed the public and they left.

          • glorybe2

            A bit of reality needs to set in. First Japan had a strange advantage. WW11 left Japanese factories in rubble and new factories had to be built. In the US we continued to use elderly factories. The next problem was investor greed. Getting funds to build new factories and apply new technologies was next to impossible ion the US. As for the labor issue Japan ought thought us. While we worked trying to develop very versatile and complex robots which were super expensive and required highly skilled support staff Japan was getting rid of human workers using very primitive robots that often were not computer driven at all. Many of their cheap robots actually ran off of cam shafts or even old player piano type technology. Their robots were designed to do one simple task but they had plenty of them. And if one started to need maintenance it could be taken off line and another slapped in place as easily as getting a cup of coffee. By 1980 their factories employed remarkably few human beings. Kawasaki motorcycles was so automated that they had a parts warehouse that operated without humans in the building. That was about 1983. I was building industrial sized robots at that time based on American modes of design. But even at that time Hitachi was offering a versatile industrial robot that was more able than the IBM units at the time but the IBM units were quite sturdy and would surely have lasted longer under constant use. The complexity of computerized manufacturing at that time was a nightmare. Each computerized machine that made and fed parts to the robots tended to run off of different operating systems so that a lathe would have an intermediate connection to a milling machine and then yet another computer drove the conveyor belt with its own OS and language. A pick and place robot needed a computer plus a intermediary computer to stack the parts trays and deliver them to an assembly robot which again needed a serious computer for multiple functions. Any glitch in any machine along the line would shut down the entire works. It often took teams of specialists to get these things running as well as skilled help to keep them running. These efforts probably kept us behind Japanese production standards for at least 30 years. The main reason we can compete today is simply the price of replacement parts. Usually common parts such as brake rotors are far cheaper for most American cars. For example VW gets about 300% more for a brake rotor compared to a Ford or Chevy and many VWs have rotors that are not supposed to ever be trued but discarded every 15,000 miles or so.

          • Greyguy

            The reason the Japanese are so far ahead of us is a guy called Edward Deming who American industry would not listen to. He is the fathern of statistical quality control. Since he was not welcome in the US he took his show on the road and found a homein Japan and they proceded to kick our butts in everything from autos to electronics in quality and price because of our egos, stupidity, arogance, and union mentality. This started in the late 60’s and we were just getting our act together when we stated ousourcing to China and quality has become suspect in many quarters ever since. Look up Demming and see what you find. If onl our foolish corpoate titans had listened. You whole scrnerio is is totally out to lunch.

          • jvaljon1

            Now if only he can – like FDR before him did – place that nice 95% tax rate on the uber-wealthy, and leave them no place to scuttle off to with their ill-gotten gains! Ah well, the price of fuel is way down now, and new businesses are (and have been) exploding ever since the dirty BushWars are finally over. Oh, and those terrible “regulations”? Go rip off the Chinese, dirtbags, and see what happens to you. “Stifleeing” would be the very least, you Commie-lover!

          • Greyguy

            Those wonderful regulations are killing jobs in the US everyday and turning us all into burger flippers and janitors. The Chinese do the polluting at a level beyond what you can imagine and send the products back to us. Why not produce them here under more efficient, cleaner production conditions at higher wages and benefit American workers and save the freight [read fuel]. Everyone benefits including the tax man as the people and businesses pay more taxes. A good portion of the regulations are counter productive and do nothing for the environment or the worker. For instance, burning alcohol in our gas and catlytic converters on cars; they do neither in Europe and the same VW that gets clost to 40 MPG here gets close to 60 MPG there with about the same emisions. Alcohol is due to the corn lobby and increases theprice of corn, your food and the government went along. Converters work, but mess up the way an engine works and cost $500 to $1400 per car and reduce milage, no net pollution reduction, dumb. I’ve been a plant and general manager and have seen the stupidity of the government and corporate leadership, sometimes you just do what you have to do and prove to everyone involved that the results are what matter so you can make enough money to keep the folks employed locally.

          • purplewings

            I guess now you suggest that we are at fault for a criminal’s actions, because we lock them up? We really should give them a party and pay all their bills for the rest of their lives. The stupidity of your comment would be laughable if some didn’t actually use that as an excuse for raping and butchering other humans. The majority of them do it for power. It’s evidently very powerful to take the life of another human being. Others do it so they can have drugs AND a place to live. Young children are kidnapped and beaten, raped and murdered like a piece of garbage – often…..let’s don’t blame their destruction on the evilness of the person who could do such a thing! There are people in prison for stealing a dress or toy from a store, or taking food from the supermarket. They are crying for help and do not deserve prison. There are other ways to punish people who are non-violent but our society tends to put them all together.
            Doesn’t it make you think the families of the horrendously beheaded in the middle east should go out and behead a few people themselves? They don’t because they have conscience and empathy.

          • glorybe2

            Since we know the cost of keeping an inmate locked up the tax payers would be far better off with almost all of the criminals given a place to live and a pay check. Paying less is better.

          • jvaljon1

            It was THEIR land and NOT YOURS. Besides, the Amerindians are getting their own back, so to speak…been to an Indian casino lately? I go there to watch the POETIC JUSTICE! (And to play, because unlike Vegas or that other horror, Atlantic City – Indian Casinos only have a 60/45 edge (against their own players – vs. the 95% edge that the Vegas & Trump ripoffs have) But don’t worry – I agree that YOUR type should have no priviledges (isn’t that, privaledges?)at all – not until you go back to school, get toilet-trained, and learn how to speak instead of spew vitriol at your betters.

          • Greyguy

            The American tax payer builds the roads to the reservations so the indians can have patrons to casinos. The companies that run the casinos are not from the reservations but are outsiders and take a huge cut. The high end of the tribe benefits but the low end folks are still not doing that well just like everywhere else. So who did they take the land from? Its all about special interests and money and nothing else, your tax dollars at work , another give away program. Wise up.

          • jvaljon1

            (sigh) Wrong again, Greyguy: all roads to all Casinos on Indian Land (you’d really be surprised to know just how extensive Indian Lands in this country are) – as well as the Casinos themselves; are built, staffed, and maintained by the tribe in question. Your second statement really shows how deeply benighted you are – the tribes (having been cheated out of their own country by The White Man in the past) would laugh their heads off, at the idea of any ‘outsiders’ (read, anyone but the Reservation people) running anything that could bring in money – could you blame them? They don’t ‘hire outsiders’ to do anything but serve drinks, and the casino walkers watch them very carefully. YOU wise up, for once.

          • Greyguy

            Most casinos are built on the edge of Indian land and the roads are build by local and federal funds, I have never seen a casino not in sight of non-Indian lands and roads. You are very naive if you think that the systems and know how that run those casinos is not contracted out. None of the technology, systems, communication, networks, security, you name it was developed or resides on the the reservations. Those are management systems and know how developed elsewhere and sold on a royalty basis. You would be shocked at the management fees since the expertise does not exist locally. You are made to believe that, but no one sees the books, but the very few as with most organizations. Ask to see how much money goes to outside contractors sometime, it is sometimes laundered through companies ownered by local leadership, that’s how it’s also done in local communities all over the world, so what makes Indians special when it comes to money and screwingtheir fellow man.

          • jvaljon1

            “uhuh.com”???? Yikes, and all I have for facts, is my Wikipedia! Oh WOE IS ME!!!

          • ABBAsFernando

            So very typical of VILE LIBERAL SCUM using sophistry to avoid the subject matter! Wikipedia is your source? Childish exchange of insults all you got?

          • Save your energy…Rx is post-evidential, doomed to ruin by market ideologues exploiting his cultural phobias…Southern planters drove the same wedge between white & black sharecroppers, whose economic interests were identical…trade-off? the white precariat could believe it was ‘better’, notw/standing the inerasible evidence of heterosis [hybrid vigor from blending white & black genes/epigenes].

          • glorybe2

            It remains an oddity that the typical southerner in 1860 owned no slaves and in fact had to compete against slave labor. Yet the fear of the dreaded negro or hatred caused many poor southern whites to fight against the north. Many people are not aware that black folks fought on the side of the south. If they were taken prisoner they were executed by the Yankee guards before entering the prisoner of war camps. The Yankees were not fans of black people at all. The real deal was that the south was the economic power house of America and the north wanted that power to themselves.

          • Vox moderata!…what next?…generally correct, but North vastly wealthier, esp. by Appommatox, thanx to crash-industrialization, but South accounted for bulk of foreign exchange, thanx to ultra-lucrative cotton, tobacco, hemp & indigo trades…slavery was hideous; James Krogh worse [5K lynchings]; blatant discrim was e/where [N/S]…recall: antebellum planters encomiated slaves for shuffling fealty, child-like naivete & good behavior; post-war they were excoriated, accused of every known crime & imaginable intent…racists today [net-trammeled & exogenous] claim Rebellion was to secure states’ rights–ludicrous!…no mere abstraction could = considerations of property: young males fetched up to 2K [50K CPI-adjusted], & symmetrical octoroon females were priceless [viz: Jeff]…quod erat arguendo definitatur.

          • glorybe2

            By 1860 male slaves were super expensive. I have seen reports of males selling for 75K. In today’s money that must be somewhere close to one million dollars. Yet slaves were beyond the reach of most southern farmers. I do know that in Virginia was back about 1800 or so that slaves were affordable by some small farmers. Virginia farms produce high dollar per acre crops whereas crope further south require large plots of land due to the low price and yield of the basic crops grown there. One acre won’t grow much cotton. But one acre of good Virginia soil can yield a tidy sum planted with tobacco or corn and many other crops.

          • jvaljon1

            Aha! So THAT’S why the Republicans are trying so hard to push America back to the 1800s!!

          • glorybe2

            America’s wealth was built in the 1800s. we have been coasting on that wealth for way too long. When we stopped our imperialism or most of it we lost that revenue. when we stopped using slave labor and indentured servants and child labor we could no longer price compete with the world. And the newly discovered natural resources of the New World began to decline as we harvested them. And now we are really in for a bashing. The old game was whether American workers could price compete with foreign labor and frankly we could not. The new game is whether our robots and automation can compete with foreign robots and automation and that has not been decided quite yet. In short my robot had best be better than their robot or I am screwed. And just to make things really complex the vulnerability to global warming and rising seas may well be the determining factor of which nations can survive and prosper despite all other factors.

          • jvaljon1

            Interesting, because just yesterday I happened to be reading about some new meme, @”Artificial Intelligence (obliterating) vs Humanity!” Nowhere was the notion of rising seas discussed, IMHO that should have been the first subject.

            Both Elon Musk of Tesla Motors, and Stephen Hawking (our generation’s answer to Albert Einstein) are now being said to have very grave misgivings about whether or not artificial intelligence, AI (eg, robots, automation) can remain beneficial. Musk reportedly thinks that automation is “potentially more dangerous than nukes”. A strange notion, I’m sure, from the founder of SpaceX and Tesla Motors! And Stephen Hawking has – again, according to popular press (SF magazines) been warning people that he “thinks the development of full AI could spell the end of the human race”.

            Our popular press disagrees (Popular Science, March 2015). I was surprised to read that article, as well. For myself, I doubt that either Hawking or Elon Musk could be that – well, ethnocentric, is the best term I can come up with – vs automation. They’re just too intelligent for that. But I offer this stuff in today’s popular scientific thinking (Popular Science March 2015, et al) as an example of today’s unexpected (by me anyway) new memes now being offered up by the popular intelligentsia…

            Given these very recent, popular examples of ‘worldwide misgivings’ to the idea of automation, I’m just wondering whether or not robots (ie, automation) will proceed much further than it already has, in our (Planet Earth’s) manufacturing and warehouse systems – where in our country at least, it appears to now predominate. It all depends upon whether or not these ideas gain traction in the social popular press, which has now been National Enquirer-ized beyond belief.

            But this all helps to explain (a tiny bit) to me, why Republican thought’s getting the traction that it has been, of late. They always did like the idea of slave labor, so at least, now, there’s a reason for less populist notions – they DO read the popular press….(who’d’ve thunk it???) LOL!

          • glorybe2

            Here is the big catch. AI works well and is getting stronger by the minute. It is not that machines will turn on us or let us down but the change over into an automated world will cause really huge stresses that society so far is unwilling to recognize or deal with in any way. The new term is dis employment which surely will become one word (disemployment). Put plainly disemployment means that jobs permanently vanish at a rate that exceeds new jobs being created. What we are looking at is the end of almost 100% of human employment without new jobs opening up ever again. This means that basic notions like earning a living have been and will be obsolete and foolish notions. In essence the businesses as well as the government will be forced to offer real income to all people. After all for a business to sell products buyers must have money. That means that businesses will prosper if they thrill the buyers and cease to exist if they do not. And now i will drop the really heavy other shoe. What if we can design a business that is owned by a robot or computer? The programming would be such that the goal of the business is to continue to exist and that earned money would be spent on ever better and more efficient computers, robots and automata needed to grow the business. No profits need be sucked out of the business to support investors, managers, or workers. Such a business would not be limited by time or death. Human businesses tend to have a life span. Rare indeed are businesses that can last for 200 years. But an automated business could go in for centuries. Obviously the automata would need to assess demand and produce new products but computers can learn new skills with great speed. Now think of the social chaos that will break out. Imagine every citizen getting the same pay check from the government. Imagine renting an apartment that is owned and maintained without human involvement. Believe it or not there are examples of this sort of thing already taking place. you will see an almost total elimination of school teaching as a profession very soon. accounting has already taken a huge hit due to computer tax programs. music and the publishing industry are being beaten down by computers. And john Candy’s last movie feature the last half of the movie with a computer generated john candy as he died before the film could be finished. We even have the potential to make movies without real actors that totally fool human viewers and we can combine the feature of various stars into one image. We could put John Wayne’s jaw on John Travolta for example. Our new super stars will be computer creations as will our musical stars.

          • jvaljon1

            That’s been happening for a long time now. An SF writer – a scientist, Isaac Asimov – formulated his own Three Laws of Robotics. (He was a professor of biochemistry at Boston U). He did this in a series of nine short stories, (first of which was published in 1939) which now is known as “I, Robot”. About artificial intelligence.

            The conquest of the electronic world by way of the PC, (and of course the far more intuitive Mac) is what’s driving AI nowadays. But that’s been prefigured by the SF writers – scientists like Asimov, for the most part – who’ve written the classics that some of us enjoy today.

            I’d be nervous too, if the Three Laws, etc, weren’t part of most scientists’ craft, today. After all as you point out, marrying automation to artificial intelligence will absolutely have to proceed with – well, some intelligence.

            That’s why I believe that Asimov, with his Three Laws of Robotics, covered all the bases, including what happens when societies become intelligently automated. You cannot think about AI, without considering the Three Laws.

          • glorybe2

            What I am pointing out is that a machine can have a program that is programmed to do no harm. But machines can create real chaos without doing harm to anyone. Technology has a certain domino effect. For the classic example buggy whip makers went out of business as the horse and buggy became less popular. But those building the first cars would have not tended to foresee a total collapse of the entire horse industry. About 1960 we caused all hell to break out in India as we saw the poverty and sent fertilizer, insect and disease sprays, and a few tractors to India. We did not foresee the fact that the effect would be the displacement of the largest segment of workers in India. Given modern methods the farms laid off workers by the millions and those workers starved to death. The world is complex enough that we often can not see when we are doing good or doing harm. Now after the initial chaos of modern farming has passed India has a population bomb as religion and more food available prevents them from being able to control the population explosion.

          • Greyguy

            The war was not about slavery, but economics and the South wanted to keep their Hierarchy in place and wanted to keep its aggrarian[very profiable] society in place, a very have, have not society in place as you rightly pointed out. Still the war has been mis-characterized for many puposes, but when it comes to war always “follow the money”; it is rarely about principle unless you get to the middle east or Ireland where you basically have tribal warfare guised under religion but even then riches are involved.

          • glorybe2

            In the end wars boil down to stupidity. Win or lose all nations suffer from war. But humanity being irrational, under educated, and stupid just keeps on fighting wars. Greed is a factor but there is also some feeling of worthlessness involved as people think that they must be inferior and take money from elsewhere to get ahead.

          • glorybe2

            Slavery is an odd issue. One clue is that slavery did not work out well in the northern states so the north banned slavery. The hotter states where agriculture was clearly the economic power in the US could simply not be worked by white field labor that immigrated from Europe. Heat stroke was a very common killer of whites in the south. Some battles in the Civil War had more soldiers dead of heat stroke on the battle fields than from combat. In order to develop the south the sick truth is that darker skinned people from hotter regions could do the work that whites found so oppressive. Thus black slavery in the south was profitable. There is no way our nation could have been put together without black slaves in the hotter states. I do not justify slavery at all but i do think there was no viable alternative in the south. From about 1910 onward machines replaced black labor in the fields. The horror of massive poverty of southern blacks due to unemployment may well have been a worse evil than slavery. The north did nothing to alleviate the suffering of southern blacks and even today very little help is offered to them.

          • Greyguy

            Slavery is alive and well in academia under the guise of Adjunct instructors where the full time staff gets to unionize and they do not thanks to the unholy alliance of university administrations, faculty unions, and state legislatures; and this time it has nothing to do with heat stroke just cheap labor with no benefits. And the dirty little secret is they teach close to 70% of all classes even at major universities. Since most get paid about a third of what full time faculty get for the same work its a real bargain, question is how good are they? Observation says some are really good but its hard to measure.

          • glorybe2

            There really is a problem with pay for adjunct professors. In a way it reflects the business community in general. for example businesses hiring unpaid interns or the use of labor pools to avoid employing people or falsely claiming that workers are independent contractors when in law they are really employees leap to mind. It is no wonder that academia is picking up the nasty habits of business. And to top it off the feds can easily arrest business owners who cheat and claim people are independent contractors but the government just won’t do that. And it is super easy to spot and prove in court.

          • Greyguy

            Nice of you to try and implicate the business community, but those folks do it for experience and are basically are not needed to accomplish the business fuction at hand and are a minor percentage of the workforce, not 70%. Whereas the academic community takes advantage of adjuncts to fatten their own pay checks, I have seen full time staff get raises while adjuncts got none for several years running[no union]. As a Controller, plant manager, and General Manager I have seen enough unions tradeoffs to know that if you are not represented you get screwed. In addition the tenured staff also uses grad assistants/students to generate a good deal of their research that they take credit for in their published writing…now some do give credit as coauthors or acknowledge them for duties performed by the more ethical profs; I did get my name on a few articles and got acknowledged on others for the background work performed. On the other hand my daughter had almost a whole paper swiped by her advisor which is more the case, go figure. And not to put too fine a point on it your little dig about interns shows a distinct lck of knowledge of the business community which is what I refered to above.

          • glorybe2

            There is nothing more corrupt or dangerous than the business community. Anyone having been in business knows that to be true even if they want to be deliberately blind to the fact. As for interns and the like if a college or business wants help they should pay for that help. The notion that minimum wage laws vanish by labeling someone an intern is absurd. Parties can never agree to break the law and a basic education would let anyone in on that fact. People can not form contracts that abolish the law. And by not calling them employees agencies like Workman’s Comp and Unemployment Insurance are defrauded by businesses routinely. Fraud and theft are the working standards of business.

          • Greyguy

            What is your deal with interns? Any place I have had a business or been a manager where we took an intern or high school workstudy kid we paid them unless the school prohibited it due to them getting credit; who are you dealing with anyway, media outlets? Besides Workmans comp is required either from the school or employer regardless by law. Now go to bat for Adjuncts who make a pitance compared to the full timers, that is true corruption and collusion on the part of faculty unions and the administration. If business guys tried that the Feds would have them up on everything from Anti-trust to Wage and hour violations based on equal pay for equalwork and RICO statutes since it is usually across several institutions.

            Something tells me you have been dealing with the wrong kind of business folks. I have not found them to be very different than any other group from an ethical view point, the best part is they are all trying to make a living and are motivated to do a decent job for the customer so they come back again. There are other agendas, but if you do not satisfy the customer on a continuing basis your business will not survive. The major motivator of profit will usually tip you to how business people react in most situations and if they are going to veer

          • glorybe2

            You are seeing what you wish to see. For example I doubt that anyone is happy with gasoline prices for the last forty years or so. Yet big oil makes big bucks and also gets charity from our government. Happy customers really does not equate with success in business. Take a look at telemarketing companies. They rarely last more than a year or two and simply vanish and reopen in new towns. They could care less about happy customers. meanwhile tobacco companies are more than willing to murder their customers. Not too many tobacco users are so happy that they smoke. Since interns are not employees i know of no regulation that Workman’s Comp cover them at all but I do know that they are always entitled to minimum wage and are deceived into thinking working for free is OK. And as far as morality goes take a look at all the dealerships and mechanics that are trying to keep Tesla cars from being sold. How moral is that? Tesla has a business model such that dealerships are simply of no benefit to a buyer at all. But conventional dealerships hate them. Or look at Uber and the battle that the taxi industry is putting up trying to end Uber. In short business is demented at its core.

          • Greyguy

            You pick a lot of interesting examplesof bad business practices and everyone of them involves the stupidity, corruption, or bad regulation by the government which enables and incentivizes the behavior involved. Why the government give subsidies to oil companies is silly but explainable, Government at all levels collects in income taxes about 80% of what the companies make in profit over time. The dirty little secret that never is publicized is that in excise taxes the three layers of government collect twice the profit of the oil companies…this is an average over 17 years. So in total the governments collect three times what the prits are for sdding little or nothing to the product, all at consummer expense, talk about a regressive tax when it his the pump[in some states exceeding a dollar. I do not believe any companies should get any subsidies for anything..live or perish on your own. As for Tesla, Almost every state in the union has franchise laws and this is how the dealers are trying to stop Tesla from not having dealerships, once again it is government regulation that is stopping Tesla in is tracks. The dealers are looking for another product line, bad behavior encouraged by state regs; personally I think car dearships are a complete rip off and raise the price of the product and the repairs by somewhere close to 50%; I have a localshop that I use and had to put on all new shocks & struts using dealer parts.. $900…dealer[who is my tennis buddy…$1354. It would have been even cheaper but after market parts were not yet available. They used to be about sevice, but they have been forced to do things a certai way by their masters who manufacture the cars, Legislator should end that. Uber vs Taxi; once again Taxi’s are one of the most regulated industries in the world. Business does dement things because that is the incentive plan set up by the idiot legislators WHO NEED TO LEARN TO SAY NO. Years ago I met Warren Rudman, who was very principled about money, if someone came in his office looking for money for them or their company he would throw them out. I don’t think there are any more like him left. Everything is not what it seems, There are lots of corrupt people out there, when you put them together a problem will occur.
            About 10 or 11 years ago I ran across an article while doing some Adjunct work from a research journal that took a look at research done at the 300 major universities in the US. 10,000 questionairs sent out almost 4600 responses [no names]. Over 80% admitted fudging, altering, or omitting data that did not fit their hypothesis they were researching. So much integrety in the academic community.

          • glorybe2

            Near the end of the baby Bush administration when the economy fell apart one fellow warned the government that if they went after crime in big business they would wipe out the nation as crime was all there was. And to a great extent what we live with is an inability of the government to afford to do what needs to be done. It is not that the government can not find plenty of crime in businesses to justify closing them down and jailing owners it is simply the sad fact that the cash needed to do that does not exist. The same thing occurs with illegal immigration. We can easily sweep up all illegals but the cash involved is overwhelming. That is why we see our president having a priority list on which illegals should be deported. Make note that the right wing congress controls the money to actually get things done and by cutting budgets also cuts law enforcement. the funny thing is that every mayor, police chief, city council and court also limit arrests according to the available budget. Apparently it costs $150. per day to house a healthy inmate and about $450 a day to house inmates with medical issues and also children tend to be expensive. So the question is how many illegal immigrants can we afford to detain. The prison system is similar. How many convicts can we afford to maintain? The courts put on a show. A bad guy is sentenced to 30 years. The public is satisfied. But after two or three years when the public’s interest fades a deal is struck such that the inmate really only serves five years total to avoid an expensive string of appeal trials. By using this tactic things like parole boards and minimum sentencing laws hit the trash can. Money speaks louder than law in more ways than one.

        • ABBAsFernando

          BINGO!

        • Time for an update–vigesimals ago, there were plenty of ‘New Deal’ professors in the Ivies, but only 3 Red-Card Carriers nation-wide to my knowledge [vide HUAC & McCarthy]…being a Communist was suicidal…tenure evolved in the early 20th-C to protect faculty from retribution by state legislators & the slavering vengeance of Bible pounders…today, socialist, populist & conservative professors benefit alike [Wiki/Google]…are some tenured profs lazy? provide separation allowances & expell them…tenure is available to very few younger faculty in the arts & humanities [Google]; even tekkies can’t expect it unless they are highly productive in terms of Eigenvector Centrality.

          • Greyguy

            Please find and document conservative tenured professors outside a greduate business school.

          • Faculty are somnolent, seemingly void of any ideas at all…one ‘wing’ is scared of its own shadow; the other hasn’t pursued a new VIABLE idea since Adam Smith scuttled mercantilism…the future is adumbrated by Stieglitz, Krugman & Piketty [pe-ka-TEE], but psychopathic banker adventurism will be hard to stop…so let’s hear it for Warren & Booker…the Senate is bought & sold; the House is a zoo…Citizens United must be abrogated–or the Kochs & their myrmidons will rule for decades–even vigesimals!

          • glorybe2

            There is a very good reason why few college professors are conservatives. It is almost impossible for an intelligent, educated person to be a conservative. It is not because one professor indoctrinates future professors. It is simply a matter of education providing a better view of cause and effect in society.

          • Greyguy

            Here’s the problem, when you work in a rarefied environment, of like minded folk that becomes your reality [academic, business, govenment..] and it is too easy to loose sight of the larger picture of mechanisms that make society work. When the government, tinkers too much and destroys the balance the majority suffers and all sorts of bad things happen. The government is obviously susceptible to lobbying. At this point in time the entire educational establishment has a very liberal bent to it and at the low levels the system has been so dumbed down to accomodate the various ethnic and lower income groups the entire system has suffered; done out of liberal compassion and presure to make people feel better about themselves. When I was a plant manager I had to give reading and math tests to all applicants [w/HS/GED diplomas] just to keep them safe in our facility AND REJECTED 30%.
            When dealing with a large percentage of my own childern’s teachers I was taken back by their lack of general academic background, poor vocabulary, and poor communication skills. Some were very good, but oh so many that deserved to be in another professssion.
            These were all liberal schools that seemed not to dwell on core academics yet sent them into the world to teach children.
            Just because you are educated does not make you a liberal, it makes you consider liberal ideas. Where your logic starts to fail is is that there are unitended consequenses for many of the polices that are put in place by governments and when they tinker with programs and alter their purpose the financial consequenses become very real. Social Security was never meant to to be a retirement plan just a suppliment and All the SSI stuff was intended for works not sef inflicted druggies, et al. We now have basically open borders. My only question to the great liberal thinkers is, wherenis the money coming from. The Middle class has basically been decimated by taxation enacted under Democratic Admins for the last 70 years which is the one of the unintended consequenses of liberalism. Your happy little think tank in academia has only forgotten how to pay for all these programs. Even Keynes commented to Morganthau [see his memoir] that he thought FDR spent too much as a portion of GNP. So if the founder of Father high government spending thought FDR spent too much, Where does that leave Krugman and Obama.
            Reality reality is cruel which is why academia rarely deals with it whole collecting a high salary many times at the tax payers expense.

      • mustangsallyann

        The separation of Church and state does not apply to student’s. It’s purpose was to keep government and the Churches from forcing their views on students, the students being given free speech as it is supposed to be a critical part of their education. Who is hiring these attorneys that don’t even know Constitutional law but want to play like they do. This kid needs to file a lawsuit. Maybe if the courts were bombarded this nonsense would come to a stop. Either by doing the right thing or flat out bankrupting these schools as they have no business teaching things they’re obviously not educated in themselves. This is a bunch of carp!!

      • Barrustio

        Are you kidding? Catholic universities are even now starting to silence any speech which critizices certain social behaviors which run counter to scriptures.

        • James Seidel

          Do your realize the Catholic Church, or any Church, has the Scriptures as their basis for existing? “Who are you trying to Kid?”

          • Barrustio

            When’s the last time you went to a Catholic Church? Try to stay on task, we were talking about lack of freedom of conservative speech at UNIVERSITIES.

          • glorybe2

            Catholic Universities may have some expectations that public schools do not.

          • Barrustio

            I’m a rigid Catholic and very dissapointed in the VERY liberal stances they are taking as of late …starting with Notre Dame

          • William Shuffield

            You stay on task. State University not Religiously owned and operated. I am not catholic and I would expect a certain amount
            of indoctrination if I attended one of their schools. Jeez

          • Barrustio

            Actually you CAN expect a great amount of indoctrination at ALL universities. YOU mentioned Catholic CHURCH , I was talking about UNIVERSITIES…ALL UNIVERSITIES…got it now?

          • Mike

            Why the piss fight about the catholic schools? Freedom of speech is the issue. Dang!!!!

          • James Seidel

            The Catholic Church was mentioned in the post I was replying to. I also have some freedom of speech chico.

          • Barrustio

            Orale vato, it’s all good.

          • James

            J.S. The RCC and it’s “daughters in protest” like to claim they are based in scriptures, but in actuality, they departed from Scriptural foundations within the very first century. Read what happened at The Council of Nicea and consider just who they were persecuting. They have been training the academics for millennia.

          • James Seidel

            I did not say I agreed with the Catholic Church, I do not think the Pope is God’s representative on Earth. They have their doctrines that they follow. That is all.

        • glorybe2

          Well there really is no legitimate way to view the words of Christ and also accept capitalism without being some sort of schizophrenic. “Take all that you have and give it to the poor.” hardly supports things like owning stocks and bonds or even family values for that matter. Christ even remarked that family had no value as we all turn to dust quickly (not in those words). He also said that gold and silver had no value as thieves would take them in the night and that silks and fine cloth had no value as they would feed the moths all too quickly.

          • Barrustio

            Since the words of Christ are only as legitimate as all “other” history. Then I guess a “good” secular outlook on life would be to say “f*ck family” (literally) since they have no value anyway…and go live under the bridge (literally) since you gave all to the poor…no room for interpretation here or common sense.

          • glorybe2

            Actually the intentions of Christ’s words are actually readily apparent for those who can read and retain in some depth. The message is quite simple. There are two valuable functions in life. The first being salvation through Jesus Christ and the second is service to the poor. Nothing else is of any value at all. Christ was among other things a Jew, repressed by a violent Roman empire. The idea of a kingdom of heaven on Earth brings forth an attempt to collapse all other worldly governments including the Roman empire. Doing that without breaking any laws could be accomplished by destroying the economy of the empire.

          • M. MOLNAR

            Thank you for bringing some sanity to this blog. This truly is what Christianity is about.
            CHRIST wants us to help one another, all faiths, all peoples. But at the same time he doesn’t want us to do that blindly, but with direction from His word. And according to the Bible, if battles ensue, retaliation must happen. In other words, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

            What our Society has done is push God into the recesses of our lives where He cannot influence us any longer. Our children barely know of Him and He isn’t in the forefront of our own lives and actions. How many people say a family grace before eating? How many families eat at the same table together? How many people teach their children to “talk” to God throughout their day, not only pray?

            Sending your child to Sunday school is a great idea to teach the scriptures at an early age and learn how to apply them to their lives.

            Americans have let the new religion “Technology” teach their kids instead of using “balance” in their lives. Without balance, we fail, we fall. America is tipping dangerously and unless God is reinstated in all our lives as the MOST important part of our lives (Universities too), our World will crumble. How do you think America survived so long…belief in a higher being…belief in God!

            If the school/University your child is considering attending does not allow any Christian praying or discussions, dissuade them from attending, ask that they find a University that respects and encourages Christians sharing discussions and prayer. When enough Universities are no longer being attended, they will question what they offer and have to change their rules and programs to include Christianity and God’s needed presence in our lives once again.

            Don’t debate what God says, just know that without His guidance our American society will fail and our children and their children will never know the glory of God’s love and will be lost. Fight to protect Freedom of Speech because without that Freedom our tongues are silenced!

          • glorybe2

            Christ specifically made void the Old Testament. They who live by the sword shall die by the sword means the sword of Christ will condemn all who are violent for any reason. An eye for an eye is Old testament and again means that Christ will punish all those who take an eye or injure. The murder of Christ was the murder of God. No crime is more serious than the murder of god and even then violence could not be used to prevent it. Note that when the disciples wanted to buy swords Christ said one sword is enough and he restored the injured soldiers ear. In other words he wanted that sword in order to demonstrate that even the murder of god did not justify defence. The teachings of Christ were designed to totally collapse all government and social practices on earth. Hence the command to pick up your cross and follow me (daily). Life in the flesh was taught to be not worth living and only eternal life had any value at all.
            It is remarkable that no church dare preach what Christ was demanding as one instantly ends up with a collapsed and bankrupt church. Yet the logic of Christ’s teachings is perfect. After all in the scheme of worldly life even a thousand years is but the blink of an eye.

          • You advise talking to God–what if she doesn’t reply?…consult Jean-Marie Arouet de Voltaire [ecrassez l’infame].

          • M. MOLNAR

            Then you’re not talking to God. God has no gender but is an omnipotent, ever present being. You need to rethink who you are talking to and understand you communicate through unconditional faith and love…like your ability to “breathe”…it isn’t a conscious act, but a sub-conscious ability to feel God’s presence around you – something I’ve been blessed with since I was an infant. When did you discover God? I was in a crib.

          • The God circuit is situated in the upper-right tempero-parietal lobe; respondent doesn’t suffer that circuit; tho a boy-preacher, he never experienced the slightest spiritual sensation–& is glad he didn’t, or he’d still be in thrall to an ontologically impossible Deity [vide St Thomas Aquinas].

          • M. MOLNAR

            And yet, we are His children made in God’s image. Still there are spiritual events that cannot be explained in human terms but are paramount to an entity totally incomprehendable by most humans. Notice I say “most humans”. Some of His children are more in touch spiritually with our creator and experience this connection since birth which has become second nature or without conscious thought. An omnipotent God which understands human nature but prefers to give Free Will instead of judgement or retribution also protects but does not direct…His love is our giidance and it flows over us as a soft breeze. He gives us wings…

          • Barrustio

            Assuming everything you say is “fact” how does any of this justify firing this guy for speaking a view other than a liberal one?

          • glorybe2

            Some speech is seen as hate speech and banned. For example making remarks that black people should be killed, banished back to Africa, or punished in some other way would not be tolerated. And any lunatic that falls for the nonsense that Nazi beliefs are acceptable or that the Jews were not murdered by the millions has no business inside any college. Even a denial of evolution is so idiotic that such people may be beyond learning.

          • Barrustio

            I know about hate speech…I guarantee you that the cartoons printed by Charlie Hebdo would have been freely accepted by this paper simply because it was SATIRE (as this piece was) and considered free speech, though it is considered hateful by some. So, who gets to decide what is hateful, the liberals? While denial of evolution may not be all that smart, it is even less smart to equate it with hate speech.

          • glorybe2

            In a college one is expected to arrive on the first day having proved a certain level of knowledge and performance in high school. Denial of evolution is proof of failure in high school. It may also prove a severe intolerance as it can be faith based in a primitive sort of way. There are a few people who insist that the Bible demands that evolution be denied despite all evidence to the contrary. Any proofs offered can be defeated by a devil created the evidence to fool you retort. At that point I would either believe that I had a very defiant person who wants to avoid education or a person suffering some sort of brain freeze that made them unable to receive education. These folks are sometimes called cafeteria Christians as they choose to amplify and accept only certain parts of the Bible. The Westminister Baptist
            congregation is notorious for interrupting funerals of fallen soldiers. They trash Christ’s teachings and demonstrate no love or understanding of others by making a mockery of tragic deaths and one can only imagine how the families of fallen soldiers feel when their loved ones funerals are disrupted. In their case their entire congregation represents hate. Yes, killing is a sin but it is not up to that congregation to run a sin enforcement squad.

          • Barrustio

            As a person who has proved a certain level of knowledge and performance in high school, I would expect you to know the difference between the “Westminister Baptist” and the Westboro Baptist. As a two tour veteran of Vietnam I denounce the actions of Westboro at my brother’s and sister’s funerals. However I fought for their right to express themselves just as I fought for other hateful groups like the KKK or pro-abortion groups whose main intent is to vilify anyone who is pro-life or who might evoke a little guilt for the killing of babies. Those “pro-choicers” are the epitome of hate and intolerance demonstrated by their willingness to hurl used tampons, jars of urine and bags of feces at legislators enacting abortion laws at the Texas rotunda. That kind of hate can hardly be compared to denial of evolution or the writings of this young man. This is obviously censorship of conservative thought or suppression of anti-liberal speech.

          • Tampons? sources, pls–sounds like Bachmann, who’s nuttier than Sarah…”Do aye understand foreign policy? why, I can see Russia from my front porch!”…lines like that save comedians from the poorhouse.

          • Barrustio

            Yeh …like “we have visited 57 states”…I know what you mean “we have to pass it to see what’s in it”…”you can keep your doctor…oh that one’s not too funny. Just Google liberals at the Texas rotunda. It’s old news inpired by “Abortion Barbie” Loser Davis

          • This proto-nonagenarian erstwhile boy-preacher takes pleasure in comments by a Christian who is not saturated w/hate…let’s follow the example of Francis…this atheist readily admits that most religious [incl Muslims] are not blood-thirsty, kalashnikov-waving maniacs like ABBA, who fears & despises everything in the modern world…CATO & Pres. Cheney ruined us, yet he blames the very iiberals who are trying to save his gluteus.

          • Wait–you mean some people deny evolution? Amazing!

          • William McClure

            So? Just another atheist fairy tale.

          • Barrustio

            The idea of a kingdom of heaven on earth would be contradictory to Jesus’ words… “My kingdom is not of this world”

          • glorybe2

            You assume that this world equals the Earth. If Christ’s intentions were to collapse all governments and all social institutions and practices in order to establish the kingdom it could very well be on this Earth and replacing all that came before it. And actually the Bible clues us in on that . There are portions of Genesis that indicate there was a world before the current creation and then we have Noah and the flood in which all that existed being destroyed except what was in the ark. If we look at the words and actions of Jesus it is obvious that He did intend destruction of the world as we know it.

          • Barrustio

            Oh…ok

          • We need not face cartonic subpontification if we vote Warren/Booker.

          • Barrustio

            But we’ll face more humiliation over further pussification

          • The tragedy is UNREGULATED capitalism, which Adam Smith himself warned would transmogrify into an all-consuming monster of oligarchy, penury, class-war & endless cycles of market implosion [vide 1837-2007]…quod erat argumentum definitatem.

          • glorybe2

            Actually if one reads Adam Smith’s Wealth of Nations cover to cover one discovers that he is not fond of capitalism at all. As far as Christ is concerned His views were that people should never accumulate money or wealth at all.. “Take all that you have and give it to the poor.” is a word for word demand upon all Christians. Saint Francis understood this completely. He slept in the streets and the like. the locals built him a shack which the saint over heard being called Saint France’s house and therefore tore it down with his bare hands. Even owning a humble dwelling was considered Satanic in nature. That is why you see priests and monks and nuns taking vows of radical poverty in many orders even today. It is also why it was not unusual to see Christian Knights with names like “John the Pennyless”. It was also the custom for knights to hire non Christians to carry their coin purses as good Christians should never touch coins. It was considered a sin for a knight to even know how many coins, if any, were in the coin purse. These practices were common until about the year 1,000 which corresponds to the Roman Catholic church changing instructions when they grew to realize that a coinless congregation could not support the church. Matter of fact if a person claimed “religious” to avoid being required to fight in the armies they were held by the heels and shaken and if no coins fell out they were considered religious and excused from combat but were expected to gather food for the armies and were allowed to run after the armies eating the dead and wounded in battle. These people were called the Thur.

          • Well said, but diddenoe they cannibalized the dead [unless you mean dogs/horses]…you are one of few on this site who understands Jesus on poverty, charity etc…

          • glorybe2

            Europe was usually in a state of starvation for the poor and the Thur were lucky to have a source of meat. But times were even harsher for the defeated. When the Templars and other knights of the cross laid siege and captured castles the knights often refused to march until the children were eaten. The older folks were simply killed and the younger were either made part of the new army or sold into slavery. But the knights knew starvation all too well and would camp and cook the children day by day until there were none left to butcher and cook. Keep in mind that the people in the near and middle east were not considered to be part of the human race and therefore using them as livestock was not thought of as immoral.
            I am not able to study the early Islamic faith to the depth that I have read western history and early church history due to language restraints and the availability of study materials. I suspect that the Arabs and other people in the region might have been far cruder than the Christian armies. Even Pope Urban in the first crusade was a monster.

        • William Shuffield

          Exactly what we need, a return to Biblical education and inclusion of Christian morality in our institutions of higher learning. We have offended the source of orr blessings in America. Quit preaching tolerance and invite Jesus back in our lives. Look st the shape of this nation after removing prayer and pretending our nation was not founded on Biblical morality and Christian standards of excellence

          • Barrustio

            The way this Congress is starting out, I don’t think we have much hope of regaining the ground lost when it comes to moral values.

          • glorybe2

            Actually ignorant school administrations have stopped prayer in schools. the supreme court only ruled that the school can not sponsor prayer, that is to say that the school can not allow the PA system to be used or the school auditorium handed over to a prayer meeting. The Supremes never ruled that students, acting on their own, can not pray either by themselves or in groups not led by school staff. Not to mention just how does one know when a person is in prayer? One need not close their eyes or give any hint that they are praying. And then we have the kid who is bright enough to say “Praise Jesus Christ 2 +2 equals 4 teacher. No prayer involved in that statement at all. And if one were to recite the Apostles Creed to other students that is also not a prayer. Can you see the panic one could cause with the school boards using those tactics?

          • Barrustio

            I like it.

        • frawgeyz

          Didn’t Notre Dame cover the crucifix so Oliar could speak there some time back?

          • Barrustio

            That’s one and the same…capitulation in view of beheading taking place. Totally devoid of testicular fortitude.

          • frawgeyz

            Thanks that is what I thought!!! They chose the devil usurper over Jesus Christ! What more is thee to be said about so called religious private schools under the RC banner.

          • Barrustio

            They stopped being “religious” long ago when liberal professors started filling the roles of the faculty. The same is happening in Catholic schools…no more nuns teaching and visits from Planned Parenthood are the norm. Abstinence??? That is no longer even thought about . I taught in a public school where teen pregnancy was celebrated with baby showers…at least they weren’t abortion showers.

          • frawgeyz

            Yes Barrustio! These tactics are called indoctrination and desensitization. They are slow but effectual for those not paying attention! God Bless!

          • Barrustio

            It was slow in the 80’s and 90’s…it has been full speed ahead since Biden came out and tested the Waters for Obama

          • frawgeyz

            So very true! Evil has accelerated more in the last six years than all of the previous decades taken together. The rate of acceleration is alarming!

          • Barrustio

            Yet you will find people behind these liberal agendas claiming to NOT be recruiting or trying to change people to their way of thinking by claiming it’s not possible to change peoples minds. These are the same people who talk about how young Muslims becoming “radicalized”. Gee I wonder how they got that way.

          • frawgeyz

            Brrustio I just cannot conceive how so many can be turned to such evil! I can only understand it in terms of good versus evil and God versus satan in these last days. It would seem to me that there is nothing home upstairs in a mind so easily swayed towards hatred and evil towards one’s fellow man to commit such evil atrocities. .

          • Condoms in RC schools? Repent ye & be saved, brethren, the Kingdom is at hand.

          • Barrustio

            All these comedians out of work in this Obama economy and you want to encroach…hmmph

          • Obulliar–nice try, but risible…why do you make a fool of y/self in public?

        • Go to your bookshelf, review scripture in Hebrew & Greek, then return to this site w/substantive rmx [absent heroic reformers like Francis, the RC church will be swept into the dustbin of history].

          • Barrustio

            Yeh that’s what many thought and wished for at the time Catholics were forced into the catacombs and look at us now. Heheh. Francis a reformer? Misinterpreted by dreamers perhaps a fresh face maybe, but NOTHING changed as far as dogma on MORAL issues.

          • What usually happens is that after some centuries a ritual, doctrine or dogma fades into the obscurity of safe disavowal [like abandonment of animal sacrifice post
            2nd temple]; o/wise a given faith becomes a laughing-stock in its host society…considering unrebutted neurological evidence of heritability–& cultural trends in the secular West–that’s the likely fate of homophobia [attitudes are not genes: you learned in Anthro 101 that in some tribes, gays attained precedence & prestige as shamans/medicine men/witch doctors]…suspect papal infallibility will suffer same fate, & of what use is partheno-genesis, a risen savior, the blood-meal [Mass], etc imported from various cults in the Mediterranean littoral…every major claim by the imperial church was established long before JC’s advent…quod erat arguendo definitatem.

          • Barrustio

            It was fear of the unknown rather than respect that gave shamans and witch doctors their positions. To compare human sacrifice to the sacrifice of the Mass is folly. It is common for those willing to engage in wanton behavior to attempt to dismantle any semblance of restriction or anything that stirs the “normal” (not the calloused or desensitized) conscience. The preoccupation with those behaviors saw the fall of empires such as Rome and Greece, while the behavior of civilized society has prevailed as they will continue to do so. Try to research “papal inffalibility” and you will find that just like many before you who try to use it as a talking point, will find that Catholics KNOW that a Pope can err. Dominus vobiscum, et cum spiritu tuo.

          • People fear their own shadows–so what?…non-conformists typically suffer rejection, contempt, abuse, homicide, exile etc, but if they offer useful services [e.g., gays among some Amerinds], they’ll gain influence & prestige, esp. if they can ‘treat’ disease…H. ignorans is nothing if not credulous.

            When the Pope speaks ex cathedra he is putatively ‘infallible’, o/wise he is corrigable…of course, over the centuries popes have perpetrated every conceivable blunder–& some beyond conception…what did Acton say about power?…the more extensive, the more corrupting…consider the rot in the Vatican today–identified & execrated by Francis himself…insiders say he’ll continue until such time as Camorra hashashayeen dispatch him…respondent revels in that risqus of terror on the Curia’s visage.

          • Barrustio

            The blunders and corruption in the Vatican are worrisome but not so much so as the blunders and corruption in the White House wherein lies the fear on the part of the left, that it may not continue.

          • This militant atheist wants Francis to succeed, in hope that a reformed church will be a lesser threat to human survival [JC said what people believe isn’t as important as what they do]…if the Future is forever, so is the Left; i.e., if any idea makes sense, it will manifest repeatedly until adopted, a la “it’s impossible, it’s impractical, we thought of it first.”…of course, Delphi-projections for 2085-2120 CE suggest that even if we slow thermageddon & block ecollapse, we’ll merge–by force majeure–w/our machines in H. transcendans elysio, a species boasting probabilistic immortality, capable of settling the galaxy via spacetime surfing…NASA has even allocated $500K to develop the equations…marvelous, no?

          • Barrustio

            “a reformed church will be a lesser threat to human survival”…heheh when did they STOP advocating for traditional marriage or start the beheadings…shame on Mother Teresa. “Boasting” immortality eh? I’m glad to have never been a boastful person but even more glad that I AM mortal and will not be around much longer to see further demise of this wanton nation.

          • Prefer you survive, abjure hate, confess your sins & join the rest of us in taking the county back from supply-cide maniacs, Koch fascists & investment-banker thieves who’ve ruined us…historians already agree that Pres. Cheney was a calamity!

          • Barrustio

            I have confessed my sins already and am ready for the glory.Thank God I will not be around to witness a Soros based Caligula. If Cheney was a calamity what would you call Obama…a fiasco/debacle??? and that’s not even history yet.

          • Soros was lucky once, betting on collapse of the Brit pound…thanx to BHO & other forces, 11 million new jobs have emerged since rock-bottom in March 2009; unemp is down to 5.6%…BUT–the challenge now is to create hi-paying jobs–thats tuff as long as the fed refuses to raise rates [inflation risk is zero]…as for the debt it can only be amortized by steady growth in per capita productivity over the next decade & vigesimal [20 yrs]…free-market GOP maniacs like Greenspan & Bernanke must never again be allowed to chair the FRB; sadly, Wall St is already circumventing Dodd-Frank–thats where Liz Warren comes in…you want more jobs? invest in hi-tek & training…a complete analysis wood take c. 900 pp, but my publisher is waiting for a diff MS…by the way, we don’t have free-markets here, we have State Capitalism [aka Communism]–banks depend ENTIRELY upon FRB rate rigging–the essence of a planned economy…who to blame? Bush-II & the Koch myrmidons who elected him, w/sops thrown to racists & rite-to-lifers: BHO got 20M more votes than Bush, but gerrymanders rendered them nugatory…were your losses worth the flattery? methinx not…quod erat arguendo definitatem.

          • Barrustio

            unemp…5.6? Obviously a CNN perspective. Fuzzy/distracting math will point out to 14 mil “new jobs” whether they are part-time or full time, low level, middle or hi-tech and without acknowledging the 18 mil lost…primarily in poor and middle class sectors. Bind the investors and you stifle “per capita productivity”. Investing in hi-tech and training will do little for the unqualified at the lower rungs where unemp prevails. Want to reduce the Black unemployment of 14% ? Reduce entitlements and implement drug testing for repeat welfare recipients incarcerated for drugs.

          • 5.6% comes from CBO [CNN koodent find its backside w/both hands]…obvious we need millions more full-time jobs–the current mess flows from disinvestment & misallocation of capital assets–98% of income growth since 1980 has been seized by the wealthy, who PARKED IT ABROAD IN TAX-FREE ACCTS instead of investing it here in jobs…blame Greenspan & Bernanke for their ignorance & sheer pusillanimity…Greenspan actually had the cojones to admit he’d ruined the country–twice!…drop spurious ideology & ID your real enemies–please–for your family’s sake!…aye have done so & should recover $2.6M by 2031 on 100th b/day [give or take tuition for 14 year-old daughter]…must get on treadmill now during the news…strongly recommend BBC, Mhz, Deutsche Welle, France-24 & Aljazeera w/finance expert Ali Velshi…must say goodbye now; live long & prosper in wisdom.

      • Christian Ijin Link

        It’s a STATE UNIVERSITY you nitwit. The gov’t is out of the church schools. Ever hear of NOTRE DAME/

        • frawgeyz

          Mat 5:22 ” But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire”

          • Christian Ijin Link

            Spitting scripture doesn’t make you intelligent.

          • frawgeyz

            Your name calling makes you intelligent? lolllllllllll Actually thought you were a Christian with that screen name until I read some of your other posts. Of course quoting scripture to you is casting pearls before swine. You are a pretender to the inheritance.

      • frawgeyz

        Better yet, get your children out! The liberals are permanent.

      • Mike

        They ain’t ruining our kids minds, they have ruined them. It all starts before they go to kindergarten. And intentsifys thru HS and college. As conservatives, we train our kids how to believe and think and it starts very early.

        • glorybe2

          Sure you do. You teach then that rabbits lay colored eggs and that is why we have Easter. You like them to watch Peter Pan in which Peter was a girl cross dressing as a boy who came in through little girls window. Then you proclaim that Saint Nicholas was named Santa Claus who slides down chimneys with bundles of toys. And do not forget the glee of teaching kids not to be pagans or mystics all the while telling them that fairies are real and leave money under pillows for teeth. Then we tell them that elves are not real and then discover that a branch of humanity was very elf like in appearance and may well still exist but are rarely glimpsed in nature. Then we wonder why kids are messed up.

      • Rx7pj

        U of M IS run by the state of Michigan

      • The term ‘liberal’ is a vacuous epithet…have you ever met a professor, radical or reactionary?…this octogenarian quondam professor has found their views an approximate mix of

        –frugality in the fisc [who would waste precious resources?]
        –libertarianism v-a-v drugs, wagering, sexwork, capital punition [but not guns]
        –populism w/respect to electoral, tax & bank-regulation reform
        –commitment to opportunity, human rights, due-process & civil liberties
        –decarbonization, fertility control & biome restoration

        Temperamentally, they’re a cautious cohort–few if any grenade tossers.

        • glorybe2

          We really don’t have any liberals in government these days. We simply have different types of conservatives. President Obama is far too conservative to the people who elected him.
          And it gets funnier and funnier. We have right wing types that rant against welfare. Yet it is dead clear that if we do not get money into the hands of the people our nation is doomed. After all what business can exist without selling to the public? At a certain point the people must have the money in order for businesses to exist. And this cancer feeds upon itself. For example any beef product is outrageously expensive now. Because our farms and ranches are corporations they simply export all the beef to nations that can afford to pay for it. Seafood is the same way. So we increase the anger, rage and discomfort of the people as they are forced to alter their diets. Every little thing that knocks down the lower half of this nation tends to increase addictions, crimes, mental illness and our prison population. And the pizza joint on the corner has to compete with pot, coke and heroin in the pockets of large numbers of Americans. In short the conservative attitudes may well doom us into a vile state of ongoing violence and failure.

      • BDC

        University of Michigan IS a state-run university. Private universities and colleges, including those affiliated with a religion, are just as bad. Besides socialist, communist, liberal professors and reachers at all levels of education in the United States, another problem is cowardly and weak administrators who cave to student demands. Students are supposed to be there to learn, to stretch their minds and expand their horizons so they can become positive contributors to society. All students are learning these days is bullying and self-importance. God help the United States now and 40 years from now when today’s snowflake student become our leaders.

    • chris

      How about starting a grant fund to educate and attract more students to private universities with out tax dollars involved?

    • Mike

      ALL state run colleges are your Typical Liberal university. In ever state. If I had young college age kids, I wouldn’t pay for them to go to college. Both of my girls graduated from Oklahoma State. Back then it was turning more liberal. I really thought twice about sending them to college. All colleges are overran with left radical today. Don’t send your kids into the pits, unless they know how to think critically. Even then, it’s a crap shoot.

      • Burton Pauly

        Thanks Mike, but the children who wanted to attend a University in my family are long since graduated. A waste of money for one of them. But the other one is doing well, even though her thought process is a lot like the liberals who she was educated by. Perhaps as she matures she will get more conservative. I’m a 1935 baby, so I see the need to oust those inane, and inept liberals from all the seats of power in our nation.

        • Notw/standing vigesimals of contact, respondent met few liberals or progressives in govt; as for BHO, he’s the quintessence of caution & a good thing too, considering House Neanderthals, some of whom are unsettled by a black face in the Offal Office.

      • glorybe2

        A hate to burst your bubble but there really aren’t any liberals around these days. It is a false cry of people trying to manipulate the ignorant. In 1950 it was the supposed, dreaded communist plague. In the late 1960s it was the fear of socialism in places like England. These days the boogie man is the Islamic radical. As long as the right wing can keep people in fear they will hold cushy jobs in high places. Oh, I almost forgot the dreaded black folks who will rape white women and turn good kids into junkies and God save us from the tanned folks crossing the border. Or should i tremble at the onslaught of violent Cubans crossing our beaches? And don’t forget those Pakistan people who conspire to steal every job in our convenience stores or the dreaded Haitian voodoo worshippers.

        • Mike

          Your old enough to remember all of this. You mentioned all of the supposed threats since the 50s. And according to your experience there never has been and never will be outside threats to our country. Do I have it correct? Outside of the conservatives? There are no enemies of our freedoms?
          Wouldn’t you think that’s just a little naive? Everywhere socialism and communism has been tried, it’s failed! Everywhere!! Yet everywhere conservative principles and values has been tried, people have more freedoms and have succeeded. Why is that? If there a party of the boogeyman, it’s the democrat party. They are the fear mongers. You may enjoy tyranny, but I dont. That’s what you get with any government controlling your life. Tyranny, not Liberty and freedom.

          • glorybe2

            First it is you are and not your. And I am 70 years old. China is doing better under communism than it has under any other form of government as is Vietnam. Right now China is the greatest economic power on Earth. Even Cuba may be better off under communism than it was under Spain, or under the dictatorships that followed. However Cuba will always have severe issues simply because it is a small island nation with limited resources. Communism would not work well at all in the US. But we will go more and more towards socialism as socialism now proves itself as a superior mode of government. If you don’t believe it try buying beef or lobster in the US. these days our beef and sea food is exported to Europe and Asia as Americans can no longer afford to eat these items and other nations will buy all that we produce. The American people were deceived into foreign wars to promote big business and now the corporations betray us by selling our food and oil over seas. Capitalism has been the great traitor that is ruining our nation.

    • Some students, impatient owing to youth, try to censor–but faculty known to respondent agree no mere opinion should be censored [violence should eventuate in arrest]…evil fenomena like religion, fascism, racism, jingoism, hegemonism & unregulated capitalism will be repudiated seriatim [viz history: Sumer to present].

    • jvaljon1

      Yeah but it’s the Radical Right who’s mantra is: “If it’s Tighty Whitey it’s Righty.”

  • Maggietish

    With all the universities in this nation when one tries to trample upon our right to free speech then we simply should be pulling out of that school and going to another university. The bottom line is that the universities can’t survive without tuition and if they make it that uncomfortable for everybody to have their rights of free speech guaranteed to us by the Constitution, then it’s time for them to close their doors.

    • fxr60

      We need to get these LIBERAL Commie professors OUT of the Universities- they are destroying the youth of today! No principles or respect for others point of view.

      • Daniel Brofford

        That right there is the problem, the professors. They say students get 50% more liberal the minute they step foot on a campus.

        • Would that were true–to me they seem like Heidelbergs [pre-Neanderthals], scared of ideas & their own shadows.

      • Rocket Doc

        You will never be rid of them, until they are dead… they are a cancer, and need to be eliminated…. they will sell out their own, just for the agenda of utopia….

      • Been in lots of universities over the vigesimals–never met a single Commie–methinx they’re dead…don’t waste spleen on faggots & lesbians–they’re mainstream now, like tree-huggers & Obamacare enrollees…a new algorithm suggests a de facto secular majority by mid-century, as per the EU…about time, too–God perished w/the Principia in 1687…worse–both volition & consciousness are illusions–& the kosmos seems to be an infinite regression of nested Matryoshka holograms…sarbat da bhala.

    • Lummi

      Unfortunately, there would still be would still be enough leftist/liberal students to to support the universities, plus the mega-wealthy liberals would contribute handsomely to keep their brain washing factories in operation. Most major institutions have grants and endowments that would sustain them for a long time, to say nothing of some of the most effective lobbyists prowling the halls of the State legislatures. Considering how university presidents, coaches, and tenured professors are paid, money doesn’t seem to be a problem for most of them. I recall a couple of professors who proudly proclaimed their strong beliefs in communism, but at least were more than willing to engage in dialogue with those of us with opposing views. I’ve had the misfortune to hire the products of the modern university system, and it left me wondering just what they had done for those four years. Their general lack of basic knowledge, was to be generous, abysmal.

      • mustangsallyann

        Pretty scary, huh.

      • glorybe2

        Texas A&M probably operates the largest engineering schools in the US and they are pretty conservative. Their graduates have donated huge sums to keep the school at the top of the heap and they are probably able to sustain themselves just on the revenues of the properties that they own. Engineering students probably are less concerned about justice, social justice and the arts than most other types of college students.

      • No kid should be granted an A.B. w/o thoro saturation in all the arts & sciences [incl. cosmogony, fizix, principles of evolution, genetics, logic, informatics, number theory, chaos, self-organizing criticality & statistics].

    • glorybe2

      Be aware that any university that you might want to attend rejects far more qualified students than it accepts. These days being a straight A student with great SAT scores and plenty of money may not get you into many good universities. Harvard turns away thousands of qualified students every year. If you want to get into MIT you had best be a genius and able to prove it. Some schools attract the very best minds we have to offer and they tend to be liberal. Think about why that may be true.

    • work on your syntax

  • Tpatriot

    It’s time to revoke the tax exempt status of Universities. Eliminate tenure and start making professors and administrators accountable.

    • 19mad74

      Right on!! They seem to be more in the business of running semi-professional football anyway. And they are making millions of dollars off of it.

    • mustangsallyann

      No doubt about it!!

    • glorybe2

      The very idea of tenure is to protect freedom of speech such that professors with unpopular beliefs can not be removed. If patriots really are interested in freedom of speech then they would support tenure. By the way children are not in college. Adults are. The normal history of the white race includes even eight and nine year olds getting married. Only very recently would even a 16 year old ever be thought of as a child. In the revolutionary and civil wars we had soldiers younger than 10. In WWII we had one 13 year old exposed to combat and probably more that went unreported.

  • metheoldsarge

    Welcome to the double standard world of higher learning.

  • JohnB

    You mean the students that could read took enough time off from protesting to read it?? Usually liberals don’t read anything they just react to talking points heard from the MSM.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Actually, Liberals do their own research. The Conservative Right are the asshats known for parroting Faux News as fact. Please do your research. Oh wait, I just explained why you don’t. Nevermind.

      • CA Loser

        Liberals are a plague. Take a look at how far down California has fallen with liberal leaders and that says it all. CA will fail under the democrats, not if but when.

        • glorybe2

          California is in trouble due to capitalism. They promoted the state to attract a huge population and they have found out that growth destroys states and communities. Now they must tax residents to death just to keep the state from falling into chaos.

      • JohnB

        You have to pass the bill to see what’s in it. That’s what I call research.

    • glorybe2

      Actually liberals have been around for centuries. George Washington and Tom Jefferson were both radical liberals in their day.

  • WhiteFalcon

    Well, at least now he knows what the “left” is all about, which is tyranny and complete control of the people. No freedom of speech or freedom of anything. That is the left/communists/fascists/Nazis/democrats way. They preach one thing when in fact they are the exact opposite.

  • Roger

    At one time a university, and or college was known for educating. Generally speaking, this was understood to mean a good argument (understood in Greek to be an intelligent discussion) on a particular issue from more than one perspective. What remains of discussion on any particular view almost always comes from the left, and any attempts to introduce conflicting thought is trampled. I believe that is better known as indoctrination. WWII concentration camps, especially North Korean, used this methodology, but found they were only successful with those with little education (and particularly those who knew little or nothing about their country) That is what centers of enlightenment have to offer our son’s and daughters today. Should you send your son or daughter there don’t be surprised at the vitriol they espouse when they come home for Christmas holiday’s; oh excuse me, winter break. Want to do some really good for the country, cut off all finance to them until they turn their programs into real centers of learning. Boycott the so called ivy league halls in favor of other opportunities.

  • 10-Nov-1775

    The cowards and hippies of the Vietnam era are now indoctrinating the new generations with the swill they call liberalism.
    They are, next to radical islam, the most intolerant folks out there. They are the new socialist, communist, facist, take your pick, party.

    • Mrs. Patriot

      Wait; I was a hippie of the Vietnam era but I’m not a liberal! No Way! LOL. I do try to indoctrinate people, though – into the truth.

      • dmbunce

        That is a word you won’t find on many campuses especially Michigan—truth.

      • James

        I too leaned heavily toward the hippie cult from the mid to late 60’s, but I never fell in line with the liberal/communist propaganda. I could see the degeneration of government, something which had been going on for over 100 years even then! and it was against that “establishment mentality” which I protested.
        I was blessed to have been drafted in 1969 and to have served in S.E.Asia; not to partake in war, but to learn firsthand what a wonderful nation we have in spite of the corrupt government. That even though it was corrupt to the core (both parties), it was still better then any other country on earth, because at that time we still had the freedom to think; speak: and even protest what we did not like about it. That freedom is slowly slipping away, and I fear that soon we will see the kind of dictatorship; anarchy; or any other despotic form of governmental control which will imprison and or kill those who will not fall in line with their agenda!

      • glorybe2

        Actually during the Vietnam war i thought that our soldiers were betrayed by our government. We could easily have one that war in the first 15 minutes if we had unleashed nuclear bombs upon north Vietnam and made it clear that we could easily exterminate all of s. Vietnam if rebellion continued. I think all of the nonsense would have stopped in a single hour and our soldiers would never have been in harms way in that conflict although I will say that the US was 100% wrong in that war. But why risk our soldiers lives and health? The same is true with drones. The more drones we use the more innocents will be spared or we could just do what we used to do and fire bomb cities into the dust.

    • conservative since 1962

      Just come up with a name for their brand of totalitarian intolerance, as they will object to any of the existing labels!
      They have probably called both of us something on the order of “right wing bigots” or “hate-mongers”

    • Rocket Doc

      Well said, I couldn’t have put it better myself. The only way we will rid ourselves of these so called liberals, and islamics is by a war, eliminating them from existence, otherwise they continue to breed, and make copies of themselves….

      • glorybe2

        You just demonstrated a very un American belief system. I am sure you would give your life to make certain that no liberal or follower of Islam was ever limited in their free speech. The idea being that we all must insist that even the most liberal teachers or professors never are discriminated against due to expressing their beliefs. Now if you are a Nazi you would want to kill anyone who disagrees with you.

    • glorybe2

      It took as much courage to dodge the draft during Vietnam as to join the army. Keep in mind that most military people in that era were not exposed to war. And in truth one could be inducted and avoid combat simply by qualifying for some of the military programs that are rarely in the front lines. For example the military maintaines quite a few bands and those highly trained musicians are not in combat at all.

      • 10-Nov-1775

        The only courage it took to run away was the courage to save your own skin. And after the war, they come back and enjoy all the benefits they did not pay for, or contribute to. Fine, if you want to desert or be a coward, fine, but do not come back to teach our kids to be cowards and losers too.

        • glorybe2

          Not all people are sheep. The Vietnam war was unjustified and a direct consequence of the US failing to keep promises to Vietnam. Are you aware that we absolutely guaranteed that we would never allow the French or any other nation to divide Vietnam in half in exchange for their aid in winning WWII? We betrayed them and allowed France to re enter Vietnam. And then we assumed that the only way for Vietnam to keep from being an ally of China was to insist upon Vietnam being a democracy which was a dismal failure and a strange notion to the Vietnamese people. They are doing quite well under communism and never had any desire to be part of China at all. In fact they have fought a war with China to keep their national identity. Many people do not consider following orders to kill innocent people a brave thing to do nor does every person believe their country should not be punished when we break treaties and behave like rabid dogs. There is a tape of LBJ attacking a Vietnamese diplomat and making remarks that no nation considers them as human beings at all and that their so-called nation is worse than a bad joke etc. etc.. Now what kind of lunatic locks into march step when we were in fact wrong and killed off perhaps one million civilians. And to top it off when our ruined soldiers came home our government betrayed them with an astounding lack of care and support. Nixon could have cared less if broken veterans starved and froze in the streets. That is what the right wing republican party is all about.

  • Dan

    More hypocrisy from liberals. U of M should be ashamed to call themselves an American institution.

  • Jacky

    I don’t have to worry about it, The University of Michigan was already on my list of schools, that, when I receive resumes, with that school on them I simply put them in the circle file.
    Unusual, I have all of the Ivy League schools , all of the NY schools, all of the Northern Il. schools and all of the Ca schools, but that is the only midwestern school.

  • This website amazes me. I don’t know how it landed in my inbox, being an educated person now inundated by idiotic rants that are emotionally irrational. Please spare me, delete me from your mailing list.

    • JimH

      If you don’t want to read it, do what I do to 90% of my E-mail, delete it before you even open it.

    • Salah Kfoury

      You can go back to your socialist ignorant hole. That is where you will make sense with the likes of you. It is a shame you were born in a beautiful Country that you hate so much. You should go and try living anywhere in the world maybe you will start appreciate this great land.

      • Amazing such bilious blabber. I do not hate this country, I am not a socialist. Where do you get such false ideas? I only resent hostile, name-calling, unthinking people who rant. I didn’t know this was a hate website. Now that I do, I will do what a previous responder suggested, and delete without reading.

        • T6Harvard

          Chris, been doing a lot of that blind deleting? Seems so.

    • T6Harvard

      Fast forward now with me (backwards, actually) to about 1950. And go to the Storrs campus of UCONN, my alma mater. I recall the same mewling and puking coming from new UNIVERSITY teeners about the unfairness of it all. You know the topics, But we KNEW, being in UNIVERSITY and being all of 18 years old. We KNEW and would NOT be persuaded other than what we KNEW was wrong in the world. As we grew more wizened we grew wiser. Most of us. Those left behind to graduate with what they KNEW as freshmen became liberals and (gasp) democrats. Intellectually these poor dolts were arrested intellectually and went forth to re-spew their superior KNOWLEDGE.
      Same old childish undeveloped thought; same old hysterical response to opposing views. How tiresome. How pitiable. How wasteful. If Christopher is “educated” we’re doomed.

      • More amazing rants. I never knew such rampant bile existed. Why does an education doom a person? Rather, it teaches broad-mindedness, not bigoted blindness.

    • Barrustio

      Even idiots know you simply go to the bottom and click on “unsubscribe”, if the content you are reading is not to your liking.

  • Susan

    Marxists/Fascists have to destroy the idea of Truth/God and Free Will and the ideology of our Founders (Natural Law Theory/Logic and Reason). They have to force their ideology of irrationality on our children—create perceptions that Vice is Virtue (sodomy), and that Faith in Jesus Christ did NOT lead to the Age of Reason, The Enlightenment, John Adams and the US Constitution and Individuality and Natural Rights from God only, NOT the State. Christianity is the only Rational and Historical religion. It is the only religion, and Deism grew out of Christianity, which believes in Truth/God/Free Will besides Judaism which is less rational than Christianity.

    To destroy the Christian Worldview–which created Freedom and the most civil, creative, brilliant cultures in the history of man–they have to make irrational concepts (like sodomy and homosexuality into “Good”and Natural and normalizing using human beings in filthy, dehumanizing ways to destroy Virtue in our children, normalizing Marxism–that humans can be used as a “Means to an End” (always Evil in Christian Cultures)

    The Marxists—God is Dead group—have been imposing their pagan, atheist “Faith” on our children by demeaning and banning Jesus and God from the public square so parents can’t transmit their ideology and Traditions and Marxist professors can posit their irrational beliefs that human beings are godless animals to be culled, herded and sodomized (Pride in anal sex) by the elites.

    All Marxists have to restrict ideas/Words in children (Wittgenstein–control words and you control ideology) and the young adults to destroy the ability for critical thinking—like this man above can do. Can’t “think”—you have to “feel” in Marxists cultures where Vice is Virtue and Slavery is Freedom.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      I’m sorry, but I’m confused about your statement. Which CHRISTIAN WORLDVIEW created Freedom? Was it the Spanish Inquisition? Was it the Nazi Empire? Was it the division of the New World between Spain & Portugal. Was it the Church of England?

      The Pagans have been around longer than the Christian’s so if anyone is doing any IMPOSING, it’s the sanctimonious Christians who demand that Jesus be everywhere.

      • Rocket Doc

        You are a lost soul, and you should be very careful, especially around muslims. Tell them what you just said th their face, you wont be eating much soon after what they do to you… then what are you going to do??? Cry to big government to help you die better??? Pleae stay FAR away from me, or Texas, because we wont let you get that far without giving you a brain implant to meet allah….

        • Christian Ijin Link

          We’re all waiting for you to remember the name of your god. The way you talk – Hating others, Professing Sodomy, Aspiring to Commit Murder…we’re all inclined to think your god is Lucifer. Or Beelzelbus. Or even Satan. You do strike me as a KKK quality Satanist.

          • Rocket Doc

            Obviously, you know nothing of th bible, or the prophets. YOU are a non believer… Even Moses knew he was the God of Abraham, and has no name. He is who he is, upon his own command to Moses, when asked who he should tell the Israelites the name of their God… “I am what I am” I also know, who his son is… not WAS… IS It is Jesus Christ.

            I will pray for you, I hope you can have your evil ways turned around… There is nothing more to say to you. You have said more than enough to proved the foolishness of your thinking, and I didn’t cause that… YOU did…. Begone, and relinquish yourself to the God of Abraham, for whom you owe your existence… Even God sends his destructor’s to do his bidding, as the bible states many times. Joan of Arc, Joshua, and many more… It would help your spirit and soul to read the bible. You may even find the peace your soul is looking for. God be with you, and I hope he shows you the light, through his son, for without accepting him, you will not achieve the Kingdom of Heaven…. God Bless!!!

          • Christian Ijin Link

            Oh my…the ignorant pebble found his bible. Probably a King James version, which you know was never translated from anything biblical. James gave the translators instructions intended to guarantee that his version would conform to the ecclesiology and reflect the episcopal structure of the Church of England and its belief in an ordained clergy
            But, the God of Israel is known by a name. A name used over 6000 times in the Tanakh.
            “The name of God in Judaism used most often in the Hebrew Bible is the four-letter name יהוה (YHWH), also known as the Tetragrammaton (Greek for “four letters”). The Tetragrammaton appears 6,828 times in the Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia edition of the Hebrew Masoretic Text. It first appears at Genesis 2:4 and is usually translated as the LORD in many English language Bibles, although Jehovah or Yahweh are employed in others.”

            I thought you were smart about your god. [j/k, I really didn’t].

            Don’t pray for me…I don’t want you screwing up my relationship with god. And I sure don’t want god thinking that you speak for me, heck, I’d hope he doesn’t even think you speak for you.

            I’m glad you reminded all of us that Joan of Arc was mentioned in the Bible. She must have been mentioned in the Apocrypa.

            As long as you keep your hatred of others as the most important reason that you take a breath…YOU will NOT achieve the Kingdom of Heaven. Good luck.

          • CA Loser

            Really? You are a believer? Wow I sure got the one wrong

          • glorybe2

            The God of the Old Testament is not the God referred to in the New Testament. The Old Testament God was a Jewish tribal god and not the one considered to have conceived Jesus Christ.

          • James

            Rocket Doc; you should have quit while you were ahead. In the first place; The Almighty One does have a name, it was written in The Tanak almost 7000 times, and covered over and hidden throughout Scriptures. IN fact; it was for the so called “crime” of speaking The Name that The Messiah was accused of blasphemy!

          • glorybe2

            The quote is “I am that I am.”. In other words God’s existence justifies itself.

          • CA Loser

            When you said “we’re” are you talking about the liberals infected with the plague? Man was made to be with women. That is how it works. You can try and force us to listen to your nonsense but it goes in one ear and out the other, padre

          • Christian Ijin Link

            Couldn’t stay on topic could you? I said “we’re”, and I meant it. Other people do read these comments, thanks for proving that, and rational people were waiting to see how Rocket would extricate himself from his excrement.
            Nobody ever mentioned sexual orientation, but you’re such a closet case that you had to volunteer your irrational fear.
            Answer this Loser…What harm comers from an LGBT marriage? If a man you’ve never met loves another man that you’ve never met, do you love your wife any less?
            Are you afraid that two men, or two women, will procreate more LGBT children? I’ve got news for you, that isn’t how it works, cause if it was, there wouldn’t be any LGBT children being born to hetero couples.
            And, since you are so right with god and following his rules, how are you on: PORK. Working on the Sabbath, Turning the other Cheek, Shellfish, Cheeseburgers, etc.?

          • disqus_OmfLP56r4s

            I’m not sure what “LGBT” issues have to do with Mahmood either; but, for what it’s worth, homosexuals cannot marry, and their so-called licenses (recently imposed by judges usually in defiance of the overwhelming vote of the people) are legal nullities.

            In the United States, marriage is a contract between one man and one woman IN WHICH THE RIGHTS AND OBLIGATIONS OF THE PARTNERS ARE SEX-SPECIFIC.

            In a homosexual “marriage,” who gets dower, who curtesy? Who has the obligation of domicile, who the obligation of support? If each participates in a single offense, which partner enjoys the defense of coercion?

            Homosexuals who choose to live with one another may, indeed, have some kind of contractual relationship which courts can recognize. But, calling it a “marriage” does not make it so. The current efforts in the courts are not an attempt to expand marriage to homosexuals but, rather, an effort to abolish marriage as the law understands it and substitute some other form of contract in its place. Such alternative contracts are not compatible with the requirements of marriage and therefore, in reality, are something completely different.

        • glorybe2

          In a mood i have shouted that Allah was a dog turd in front of Muslems and made remarks about Mohammed being a child molester. Nobody took the bait and that was in a Wall Marts super store. And I will say it again. Mohammed married a child and was a pervert and a false leader. Islam is the me too of religions. when Christian split off from the Jews the near eastern nations wanted to form their own faith. frankly they messed up.

    • glorybe2

      There was a time when communism discouraged religion brutally but that has faded away. These days communism tends to be more moderate after the initial take over period. There are very negative nations like n.Korea that still seem to be following Stalin types of communism but not many nations are like that.

      • Susan

        True—but they learned that all human beings have a “Faith”—-the communists just control the churches and who runs them now, and what they can say and do…..like in China, they ordain their own “Catholic” priests…without the Pope’s consent.

        The State controls everything about the religions that can exist. They are in line with Sate policies and teachings….they can never tell the Truth/God in state controlled religions.

        • glorybe2

          We can see an evolution in Communism. Early on religion in the Soviet Union was highly reviled but later on the state first controlled churches and then relaxed its grip as we see today. China is also liberalized as far as economic changes and religion are concerned. There has been a historic pattern of communism being very brutal and then moderating as time passes. Keep in mind that formal communism is rather new as a doctrine and is still maturing. If one compared it to the US we went through a very similar process. We had slavery, indentured servants, no rights for women and the extermination of native tribes early on. As people really began to understand what liberty and democracy called for we became far more moderate in our behaviours, laws and social customs. In contrast the far right has not changed and is still brutal, amoral and violent beyond all sanity. The willingness of the US to use torture on POWs is proof that we still have these vile people in American society as are the conditions in our prisons.

  • Sacwoodpusher

    While I can believe what you are posting, you are not doing me a service……What was the article, where can it be found? Can you provide a link for it. Are we just supposed to take your word for it that he was fired due to conservative content, or because he was generally offensive and/or an idiot? Either provide better coverage of what you send me, or I will unsubscribe.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      http://www.easternecho.com/article/2015/01/columnist-rightfully-terminated
      He was fired for cause. He got what he deserved.

      • Rocket Doc

        You sir are nothing but a liberal/communist troll…. You cannot nothing for you to understand here, go play with your queer boys, and girls, they will appreciate your tolerant ways much better than we will here…

        • Christian Ijin Link

          You Ma’am are nothing but a Racist/Bigot in a hat. I understand everything but that garbage of a sentence you tried to scribe together with your crayons.
          OMG!!! OH MY Garters!!! Did you accuse me of being…TOLERANT. Shut your mouth you pathetic excuse for a homophobe.
          I’ll have you know that I’m no more tolerant than your messiah Jesus Christ. I hate everyone just as much as he did. Now you apologize.

          • Rocket Doc

            Keep talking, $hitbag, it tickles the nads…. and by the way. I must have hit it right on the mark to make you respond so eloquently…. My 1 year old great grand son has more common sense and brains than you. Don’t worry, If we go to a revolution, you wont make it through the first two or three days, I can guarantee it… Problem is, I would love to do the elimination honors at that point… I hope you like pork, cuz its gonna get stuffed up your rear end, when you’re buried…
            Sticks and stones make break some bones, but your bone headed reply never hurt me…. LOL!!!! BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! keep trying, make yourself a fool… wait, you already did that… lol!!!!!

          • Christian Ijin Link

            Ma’am…you are an idiot. Were all 6 years of your education in the Texas Penal system?
            All of my remarks have been eloquent, or didn’t you realize that all those comments by the guy with my name…were the same person?
            I’m not worried about a revolution in which you survive. Nor am I worried about anything that you cannot even remotely guarantee.
            I guess you are tolerant after all, since you just implied you’ll BF me if I were to be dead and buried. Damn That must be hard to do. Do you actually think as you write? [I didn’t think you did. It really does show.]
            God’s name…did you remember it yet?

    • Barrustio

      This story is old…Google Omar Mahmood satyrical piece for Michigan Review. It’s not hard to find. Believe me when I say it was outrageously funny to me. Only an intolerant liberal could not find the humor in it. Did it call a spade, a spade? You bet…that is what was offensive to liberals, it was incisive in it’s truthfulness and written in such a way that the young minds could clearly see the hypocrisy of the left (they don’t want malleable minds to receive the conservative message) These universities have no problem with free speech regarding global warming, saving the whales or other animals but see how far you get with any speech regarding saving American babies or talking about contraception or homosexuality or anything religious. Good luck. He was definitely fired for his conservative speech because he is no idiot and he could only be “generally offensive” to the intolerant liberals who threw eggs at his door and worse.

      • mustangsallyann

        Just read it, that was funny as all get out. What a bunch of whiney baby’s. I have never believed in voting straight party line and went with the best candidate. But after a couple months of reading and listening to these self absorbed lib’s, I’ll need a break before ever voting again, recover some innocence so I can be objective again. LOL

        • Barrustio

          Just vote Republican and restore a semblance of balance…most of my family has voted Democrat all their lives (me included) I went indie when Hillary lost the primaries and I was left with a choice between a patriot who had fought for his country and had experience and a community organizer with 2 years of “present” votes as a senator.

          • mustangsallyann

            That’s the biggest problem, not having any good candidates on either side. You’re just left scratching your head. I’ve voted both over the years although a registered Rep but as you stated, it appears we’ve no choice but to go straight Rep party if we want any improvements at all, or at least to stop what’s currently going on. We’re being led to destruction, that’s a fact. Once we get a Rep in we may have to get rid of them in 4 years but will have at least started the process for some big changes. Have an awesome weekend.
            God Bless and protect you and yours.

          • Barrustio

            You may be right about having to get rid of them in 4 years. But that could be a good thing maybe they will gradually get the message about the reason they won the mid-terms…it certainly wasn’t because of their great attributes but to stop the insanity of the liberal machine. You have a great weekend too and may God be with you and yours also.

          • mustangsallyann

            Yeh, one can hope. Personally, I’m beginning to think they all lose their flippin’ minds once they step foot in D.C. LOL

  • M. MOLNAR

    It’s extremely sad that Liberals are nothing but BIG BULLIES and those on the University Playgrounds are even worse. The one thing a Bully doesn’t want to hear is that they are WRONG…ABSOLUTELY WRONG. The Liberal agenda is all about making decisions for everyone because the Liberals “think” they are the only ones that can make good decisions. Well, Hello Liberals! You have the worst decision sitting in the White House today…worse for America, worse for your friggin party, worse for our world in general.

    The only one capable of defeating a Bully is another Bully, bigger and stronger than the first clueless one or the gentle hand of God. We all know where the Liberals stand on God – look at how they support removing God from our public venues, money, govt buildings, military before going into battle…they abhor God’s presence because He changes people and removes evil. Liberals fear what they don’t understand…and they don’t understand God.

    The Conservative American people together as a whole create one tough Bully capable of taking down any Liberal excuse of a person/organization. Conservatives are not about making decisions for others but finding a way to work together to create a better world for everyone. Liberals just want to “mold” the present world into what they think it should be, NOT what others may want it to be. You see, “others” aren’t smart enough to make that decision…only Liberals are.

    My suggestion for any University that decides to curb FREEDOM OF SPEECH because of their Liberal agendas — STOP AND DESIST! Perhaps if students transfer out of that University and find another one that has more Conservative values, that Liberal University will lose revenue, students, and reputation…lethal when it relies on its reputation and referrals to stay afloat!

    Remember: Liberals teach “poison” to mold and inhibit. Conservatives teach reasoning and comprehension to expand the mind and create new avenues in which to broaden knowledge – because to be “different” IS EXCEPTIONAL and American students deserve to be exceptional, not clones of one another!! Liberals have it all wrong…as usual! Who would want a Liberal University anyway…full of arrogant, egotistical dreamer instruction that can only dictate, not inspire, prohibit not create, destroy not enthuse. Lesson learned.

  • Christian Ijin Link

    This article is about his rights being trampled is a prime example of the Faux News that the conservative Right peddles as fact…when it is indeed just LIES, Lies, lies – Yeah!
    I’ve posted the entire article below, and I cannot find ANYTHING that would cause a Liberal pain, aside from the fact that the article is so poorly written. The grammar, spelling and structure just suck. If he was forced to resign, its probably because he failed to write the article that he was assigned.

    Do the Left Thing

    TRIGGER WARNING!

    It was one of the coldest days of this winter past, and I was hurrying along the Diag to class. The blistering cold did not turn my eyes from all the white privilege falling around my. All those white snowflakes falling thick upon the autumn leaves, burying their colors. Majoring in womyn’s studies, I’ve learned that oppression comes in many forms. Sometimes we fail to notice it because it’s just everywhere – just like that white snow.

    As I walked, I slipped on a patch of wet leaves lining the steps of the Hatcher, and I fell forward headfirst onto the steps of the library. If it hadn’t been for the left hand that I thrust out right before my fall, I would have ended up just another statistic in the war on colored people. As it were, a white cis-gendered hetero upper-class man came down the steps just as I was falling. He looked at me with that white man’s burden face that I see too often on this racialized campus.

    “Cold, isn’t it?”

    Behind his words I sensed a patronizing sneer, as if he expected me to be a spokespersyn for my whole race. He offered his hand to help me up, and I thought to myself how this might be a manifestation of the patriarchy patronizing me. I doubt he would’ve said those violent words had I been white, but he would take any opportunity to patronize a colored [email protected] or womyn. People on this campus always box others in based on race. Triggered, I waved his hand aside and got up of my own accord.

    He was taken aback. Suddenly I felt I was taking back some of that lost agency that colonialism had robbed my people of. I felt like Aamir Khan in Lagaan. That’s right, that white man wasn’t about to tax me. I didn’t even want to be that white. I turned on my heels and showed him my back.

    He shouted after me, “I was just trying to do the right thing!”

    The right thing… The right thing… I became so aware at that moment of the left hand that I had thrust out before falling, and suddenly my humanity was reduced to my handydnyss. The words rang in my eardrums, and my blood throbbed. This was the microaggression that broke the gender-neutral camel’s back. But unlike other microaggressions, this one triggered a shift in my worldview. All this while, I had been obsessed only with the color on this campus. All of a sudden, though, that became a side issue. All those race-based microaggressions now seemed trivial. I had, I realized, forgotten to think intersectionally.

    The biggest obstacle to equality today is our barbaric attitude toward people of left-handydnyss. It’s a tragedy that I, a member of the left-handed community, had little to no idea of the atrocious persecution that we are dealt every day by institutions that are deeply embedded in society. So deeply embedded, and so ever-present, that we don’t even notice them.

    But then I think to the word sinister. In our English, it means evil. But that’s because it used to mean left-handed in the Latin, and left-handyd people, especially those of color, were considered evil. In organic chemistry, we are taught R and S distinctions. I realize now that whenever we came across a left-handyd enantiomer in the coursepack, I could just feel the patronizing gaze of the right-handed members of the class on the back of my neck. And now I finally understand why.

    And the University of Michigan does literally nothing to combat the countless instances of violence we encounter every day. Whenever I walk into a classroom, I can hardly find a left-handyd desk to sit in. In big lecture halls, I’m met with countless stares as I walk up the aisle along the left-handyd column. The University cannot claim to be my school while it continues to oppress me. We need to find allies with other minority groups and work against the establishment. This campus must be at the forefront of progress in America.

    Yes, our president might be left-handyd. But that does not represent the pathetic living conditions of so many left-handyd people around the world, and even here in the United States, who are constantly threatened simply because they write or eat with a different hand. Even today, left-handyd [email protected] are paid 68 cents to the dollar that right-handed individuals are paid.

    It is 2014, people. Still, change starts with awareness. Until right-handed people, especially cis-gendered hetero white males in salmon shorts, do not start checking their privilege, we will continue to live in inequality.

    No longer will I persevere in patience. No longer will I suffer in silence. I am a left-handyd [email protected], and my humanity needs be respected! The next time someone tells you to Do the right thing! turn around and flick them off with your left middle finger.

    Do the left thing.”

    Where is the PAIN he caused in that article?

    • Barrustio

      So do you suppose it was conservatives who threw stuff at his door and wrote hateful messages? That’s it…it was the conservatives trying to make it look like liberals are trying to suppress conservative speech. A “radical far right wing conspiracy”. But you may be right in assuming that he may not have written the article that he was “assigned” (the one with a left leaning bias)

      • Christian Ijin Link

        I bet that NO ONE did anything to his door. How do you conservatives call that…a FALSE FLAG? 🙂

        • Barrustio

          That confirms what I just said…it was conservatives and no one did anything to his door. That’s it the conservatives fabricated that story too. 🙂 Serves him right for hurting the conservative’s feelings.

  • pindragon

    To bad they can not do as they say.

  • don lavrich

    sorry, free speech is for all, not just the left. so lefties, suck it up and move on.

  • Mynickelsworth

    What do you expect from a University in a state that condones muslim control of cities with all the shariah laws in effect:?

    The student under question apparently is smarter than most, if not, his professors. I have two degrees and nowadays I think most professors are just the profess to know all there is to known in FORCE their so called knowlede down the throats (brains if you prefer) of their students.
    I’m glad I’m not involved in that now. The problem started years ago when we allowed the Federal government to get involved in local schools to brain wash kids into Socialists and they are now the professors who ‘know it all’.
    Most of the Federal Govt. is unconstitutional. Read Article I, Section 8 to see what powers the federal gov’t. was given: No education, no transportation, no Agriculture, No energy, No health or Human Services, no Housing and Urban development AND no ENVIRONMENTAL powers at all.

  • vpjag

    well if this young man needs a hand,I say lets give it to him.

  • Christian Ijin Link

    Additionally, the Writer was fired for cause. He violated the bylaws and ethics rules that he had sworn to uphold.
    http://www.easternecho.com/article/2015/01/columnist-rightfully-terminated

    Now why don’t you all go complain about how Obama is going to disband the U.S. Marine Corp.

    • mustangsallyann

      That professed cause should be applied fairly and obviously wasn’t. As far as schools, free speech and the constitution, do some research, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about. And what the hay does this have to do with O, I didn’t see him mentioned anywhere in this article. It’s you libs that instigate and it’s for two reasons only. You’ve no other intelligent argument and you hide your racism behind your political party. You only want to keep minorities in a place you can continue to control them. Why else would you now abandon a Muslim, any other time you’d side with him even if he walked in and killed your brother. What a bunch of hypocrites.

      • Christian Ijin Link

        1) Who was the cause not applied fairly to? The writer violated the rules he agreed to abide by, and he was fired for it. NO ONE has even remotely suggested that ANY OTHER WRITER was allowed to break those same rules and not be fired.
        2) This IS NOT a Free Speech issue. He broke the rules and was fired. He was not fired for what he wrote, but for giving it to another paper to reprint, something he said he would not do.
        3) No one has abandoned anyone. HE VIOLATED HIS OATH TO HIS EDITOR. Then HE GOT FIRED!
        4) Do u UNDER Stand Ing-guu-lish?

        • mustangsallyann

          Read the entire article. Can you say professor Susan Douglas? Don’t blame me if you couldn’t read the entire thing. Most of you do leave out the things that don’t fit your agenda.

          • Christian Ijin Link

            And if you were SMART ENOUGH to do any, ANY, ANY!!!! research (ie. thinking of your own), you would already know the differences between the two situations.
            1. O.M. wrote for a school affiliated paper.
            2. S.D. wrote for In These Times, an independent, nonprofit magazine, is dedicated to advancing democracy and economic justice, informing movements for a more humane world, and providing an accessible forum for debate about the policies that shape our future.
            3. O.M. was given a choice between working for two papers.
            4. S.D. was not writing for two different papers, nor was either one a school affiliated paper.
            5. O.M. was fired for VIOLATING the RULES he AGREED to ABIDE by. He was not fired to restrain his rights to Free Speech.
            6. S.D. still has her job, because… FREE SPEECH.
            7. Any questions? Do I need to read the articles out loud for you to understand them?

        • mustangsallyann

          What a sorry human being. You’d rather defend a college that doesn’t apply consequences equally than to even defend the statement I made about a Muslim killing your brother. I love it when you all show your true color’s to the world. Didn’t deny wanting to keep them in their places either, did you. May God have mercy on you and your ilk.

          • Christian Ijin Link

            1. Their is no application of equal consequences in situations that are no equal. [see reply below].
            2. Your statement about a Muslim killing my brother is asinine and nonsense. I ignored it because it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC IN MICHIGAN.
            3. It is the equivalent of me pointing out that you should all go scream about Obama disbanding the USMC.
            4. I don’t have to deny something that has no basis for existence. Should I accuse you of being a one-testicled, transgendered, republicunt, homophobe that can’t bear to look herself in the mirror, just so that you can deny it?
            5. Or should I just stick to the facts of the case and point out that O.M. quit his job when he was given the dilemma of working for 2 different masters?

    • disqus_OmfLP56r4s

      Christian, your argument is legal nonsense:

      The newspaper said why he was fired, and your own link reported it:

      “But if Mahmood’s political beliefs were irrelevant to his termination, why mention them or the content of his column at all? His column, the Daily staff wrote, “satirically mocked the experiences of fellow Daily contributors and minority communities on campus in his Review column [violating] our values and integrity as a publication. . . ” All the Daily needed to have said was that Mahmood was fired because he violated the Daily bylaws. Period.”

      What you now claim is that, because (in your opinion) the man could have been fired for a “legitimate” reason, the stated reason he was fired doesn’t count.

      The law calls your contention a pretext — which is another way of saying IT doesn’t count. The newspaper said in print why the man was fired; that (perhaps) he could have been fired for another reason is irrelevant.

      The terminated writer still appears to have a cause of action, depending of course on the precise link between the Daily and a state university (private employers don’t have to obey the same rules).

  • 19mad74

    Poor guy didn’t stand a chance especially since Michigan is flooded with Muslim nut cases. And this guy is a liberal Muslim. You have to give him credit for courage.

  • Robert Pekarik

    Keep putting democrats in office and we’ll all end up with a law that says if you speak out against the left you will be flogged. How can any sane American ever vote for a liberal, a progressive or a democrat again? As the years have gone by the naivete and ignorance of the voting public has allowed these anti-american, anti-constitutionalist hypocrites to make critical decisions for our nation and put them in positions of power. Now we know what they will do when in control as they continue to elect communists as judges, put them in our colleges use our taxes to teach the future leaders of America how to destroy it. When are we going to say enough is enough and get real patriotic citizens in office. Save our country from the far left they are all treasonous.

  • Barrustio

    Hey lets accept reality. It’s Michigan…what can you expect from a state that has already sold it’s soul to Islam Google Islam in Dearborn.

  • akoby

    The same defense argued for Susan Douglas applies to Omar Mahmood. If it doesn’t, then lawsuits need to ensue. The only thing the left understands is hitting them in the pocketbook. Exposing the hypocrisy means nothing to them. They rationalize killing babies as “choice” so what’s a little infringement of freedom of expression?

    • mustangsallyann

      That’s exactly what should be done. Bombard these idjiots with lawsuits and bankrupt them all. They have no business educating anyone’s children.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Except the cases are not even remotely identical. I could suggest that you boil an ostrich egg in a frying pan the same way you boil a chicken egg in a pot, but they aren’t the same thing. These two articles are miles apart.

      • akoby

        No they are not. Both are expressions of opinion by their authors. Both should be allowed the same right to express their beliefs no matter how we may disagree with them.

        • Christian Ijin Link

          Didn’t do your research did you?
          O.M. was told he could not work for 2 different newspapers, so he quit the U of M paper.
          S.D. wrote for an independent paper, that has NO TIES to the U of M.

          • akoby

            Th eissue isn’t whether he worked for 2 papers, th eissue was that they didn’t like what he had to say. They had no problem with what she had to say. One leaned right, the other left. Left was OK, right was not.

          • Christian Ijin Link

            The issue is that he violated the rules that he said he would abide by. He wrote the piece and let two different papers print it. He was offered the choice of working for either one. HE CHOSE TO GO TO THE right.
            Do your research and find:
            He WAS NOT fired.
            He WAS NOT censored.
            He WAS given a choice.
            He was given a fond farewell.

  • Christian Ijin Link

    And if anyone here was capable of actually doing their own research, instead of just being a parrot, they would have found the Editorial comments from the newspaper that O.M CHOSE TO LEAVE. Of HIS OWN FREE WILL!!
    http://www.michiganreview.com/editorial-doing-the-right-thing/
    How do you people sleep at night, knowing that the world isn’t out to get you?

  • Rocket Doc

    It’s time for a war. These people need to be killed. PERIOD!!!!!!! they cannot be saved, or trusted, because they are fools for the very dirt of the earth, and the ones who try to push this agenda on people like me, will meet a terrible demise. I SWEAR TO MY GOD I WILL FIGHT IN HIS NAME, for the sake of free people everywhere!~!!!!!!!!!

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Do you even know your god’s name? Seriously…without googling it…what’s his name?

  • JDUSN1

    The thought of Joe McCarthy comes to mind to level the playing field with the gutless , unpatriotic , anti American academia disgracing this country.

  • needfulthings

    University Shuts Down Speech – for Conservatives ? No not really , you see the University demands the Whole Truth and noting but the Truth be told by students! Conservatives can’t tell the truth, never had and never will. I mean just watch Faux News with Fanity , he always falls short of the Whole Truth!!!!

  • cheetah

    Sue! They’re breaking federal law.

  • Robert Chapman

    How about rescinding their charter?

  • Mys77

    I wonder if tuition money is liberal or conservative? This student should demand a refund…I think professors should have their names published and their political views exposed, and let the students decide if they want that class, or even attend their college. Intellectual idiots..

  • Buckindaburg

    I did see the show in which Greta expressed a great deal of interest in his case.
    One needs to understand that most witch hunts were organized by liberal thinkers….liberal is an oxymoron for how these people behave.

    That a group of people, under the guise of being so danged enlightened….that they have decided as a group that the founding fathers got it all wrong….that THEY…the faculties of these institutions of higher learning, are better equipped to redesign our nation and reassign it’s place in the world…they are above all, arrogant to the nth degree…but in fact, are all living in a delusional world.
    No matter what they say…the sun still lights first, those states which abut the Atlantic Ocean, and those on the opposite side of this country, will see that orange orb, sink slowly into the Pacific Ocean at sun’s set.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Actually, most Witch Hunts are organized by Conservatives. Salem, McCarthy, Benghazi, IRS, Birth Certificate, SPANISH INQUISITION…
      If Liberal is an oxymoron…then Conservative is just…a moron.

      • Buckindaburg

        Christian….you seem to have a lot of experience identifying morons. But the point is that liberals are only such when the situation agrees with their thinking or point of view.
        Don’t know exactly what you are meaning when you speak of Salem…other than witch hunts, and that was long before there were liberals and conservatives vying for top seats. As far as McCarthy…don’t think he was wrong regarding the communist threat…and as an American, if you don’t see the problem with Benghazi, IRS and birth certificate…in that order…then you are simply driving the ox pulled wagons into the circular formation to protect those socialists that seem to know so much better what people need…than do the people themselves.
        There was a time when people were Americans first…rather than subscribing to a party line…we have moved past that time many years ago.

        • Christian Ijin Link

          You stated, “Most witch hunts were organized by liberal thinkers.”
          The Salem witch hunters were not liberal.
          McCarthy and his communist witch hunting ruined plenty of innocent lives.
          Benghazi was found, by a REPUBLICAN committee, to be an event, with no President to blame.
          The IRS scandal was found to be not a scandal.
          The Birth Certificate is real.
          Which means I may be driving the oxen wagon, but at least I’m not you…the oxen pulling the wagon.

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Animal Farm comes to life in this (lc L) LIBERAL Michigan brain drain.

  • rhb

    We did this to ourselves. We’re just getting out of our slumber, it’s too bad we aren’t all awake. You can see this by our votes and who we keep electing. It seems we ARE all INSANE. Voting for the same politicians expecting a different result, over and over again. Are we ready to work for a resolve? Get educated, knock on doors, hold stump speeches in the parks, on street corners. If you’re not willing to do that. There will be no resolve and we shall continue on. As Edmund Burke said, ” The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”

  • MoonBeamWatcher

    Harvard Law Professor Warren gone MA US LEGISLATOR who has the vagina to ATTACK
    interest rates charged on student loans!
    Sheeet momma knew folk got into LAW because they sucked at math BUT isn’t it the
    CRIMINAL tuition charged by tax exempt schools that’s breaking students backs?!

  • Steven Webster

    Someone more talented will do this again, but just because I get surrounded by Os doesnt mean I am going to stop being a I

  • CTH

    University of Michigan’s spokesman, lie nearly all liberals, is an obvious damn liar.

  • DonRS

    Dodge, weave, lie – that’s what college administrators and professors do. Univ. of Michigan is just doing what all liberals do!

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Dodge the truth. Weave a web of deception. Lie to themselves because they fear the truth. That’s what Conservatives do.
      The rest of us do our own research. We are very liberal with our ability to think for ourselves. We look for all of the facts, not just the ones that conveniently give us a reason to continue being justified in hating someone or something else.

      • DonRS

        So, you liberal researchers believe Michigan Univ. should fire someone presenting a different perspective. Indeed, you are so pure of intent and open of mind.

        Delusion reigns in the liberal mind!

  • disgustedvet

    Michigan has become Berkeley East. Ann Arbor is as liberal as any city in this Nation.

  • Shane

    FREEDOM OF SPEECH! (But only if everyone agrees with you! 😉

  • The Fox

    Just like all liberal universities they are the haters, closed minded, my way or the highway bunch of un-educated nut jobs, haven’t seen one with the common sense to come out of the rain no matter how much book learning they have. Most can’t tie their shoes without a road map. I have a daughter who graduated in 3 years and on the deans list, presidents list and got her Masters Degree and dumber then a rock when it comes to real life and relationships and proves my point.

  • observing57

    Teachers, Professors in college are big on pushing the communist garbage. From outright stating that it has good qualities to the system, to slipping and sliding inferences into lectures. It is like used car salesmen are cramming the kids full of their beliefs. Education and government must be separated or learn to be a “have” or “have not”. Most will have not under communism. Proven time and again.

  • Maynard

    I can really feel for the victims and their families in this
    tragedy but I am not surprised, for some time now the European countries, and
    this certainly includes France has been kissing Muslim asses. They come to Europe and demand that you
    accept their ways, change your laws and accommodate them in many ways. The unbelievably naïve European politicians
    comply and punish their own citizens because they continue in the traditions they have followed for centuries.
    I challenge you, any of the naïve politicians in Europe, to move to one of the Muslim countries and see how you are received, how they go out of their way to accommodate you and your religion and your customs. Rottsa Ruck Dummy!

    • Christian Ijin Link

      Please move your comment to the appropriate thread. The horrible events in Paris are not the topic here.

  • Robert Spurgeon Sr.

    Which is the worse EVIL, Left wing, or muslims, Both about the same, !!

    • Christian Ijin Link

      The worst evil is the FRIGHT WING! They believe that no one else is entitled to an opinion…AT ALL.

  • Robert B. Howig

    If the story here is true as you present it, then I, as a liberal, apologize to Mr. Mahmood. The people who did things to him should be disciplined by the university, and perhaps even prosecuted by local authorities.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      It’s not true. I’ve sited several sources that shed the actual light of truth.

      • Robert B. Howig

        I’ve learned to be wary of this site. Thanks for your message. I’ll check it out.

  • thunderbob

    This is the crap your child is having to put up with! More University Professor or teachers are closer to “cult” members. 9 out of 10 don’t know anything outside academia. The were brainwashed and are passing it along. The way you stop this ‘terrorism” is to continue to challenge their undependable position. if it is a State University the State needs to step in and fire people using the same excuse they did for this individual. Another thing is to stop sending your children to the school! Lack of their huge fund source would cause them to take them back a bit!

  • 83footsailor

    These LEFT WING Colleges need to be brought under control.

  • snowyriver

    “His actions created a conflict of interest regarding his employment with both the Daily and the Review.”
    This statement by the University shows their political leaning.

  • ABBAsFernando

    VILE LIBERAL SCUM are NAZIS! LIES are their game, EVIL is their NAME!

    • Have you ever met a real Nazi? people of my generation have, & we hope you never do…speech is best when preceded by a modicum of lucubration, amigo.

      • ABBAsFernando

        Yes, I have, Today they call themselves Liberals.

        Isaiah 32:5-8King James Version (KJV)

        5 The vile person shall be no more called liberal, nor the churl said to be bountiful.

        6 For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the Lord, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail.

        7 The
        instruments also of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to
        destroy the poor with lying words, even when the needy speaketh right.

        8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.

        King James Version (KJV)

        by Public Domain

        Pretty much sums up the mentality of NAZIS, Communists, Liberals or whatever other name they make up and use.

        • [Drop the KJV, read the Biblos in Greek & Hebrew].

          You could’ve reciprocated w/courtesy & content, instead, again you chose billingsgate, CAPS & off-point animadversions…respondent’s seminary teachers of rhetoric would give you a grade of ‘F’, & thanks to your familiarity w/St. Thomas Aquinas, you know he brilliantly rebutted his own ‘Godly proofs’…faith pursued in a moral vacuum is a poor cicerone to conscience & conduct–indeed, absent the alembics of reason & empathy, leads ineluctably to Jihad, decapitation, stoning, the stake, Abu Graib, Schutztaffel, Gestapo, KGB, President Cheney, the Star Chamber, autos da fe, & of course snake-handling (:-)…hey, this is fun, no?

          Respondent knows you won’t understand this–& are too fearful to Wiki/Google his case–but for the sake of future historians scrolling here centuries hence [assuming H. carboniferis survives ecollapse], notes that, pursuant to the Principia [1687], the Deity & her church have steadily declined in influence–that’s what terrifies you–& obviates honorable debate…it almost goes w/o saying that a non-extant Savior is not returning–there’s no Deus ex Machina to pull us back from our thermogenic rush to the precipice of extinction.

          You may have noticed that theology is not germane to ethics [cooperation is genetic in mammalian species & morality is learned at the mother’s knee]; studies demo that seculars are better behaved than Christians, whose basic motivation is not doing good per se, but to avoid Hell…sadly for your antediluvian side, a breakthru algorithm adumbrates a de facto reductionist majority here by mid-century…respondent is shocked, but gratified!

          We don’t need a sky-spook; the laws of Ye Quantum Physic make universe & megaverse alike inevitable…worse still–volition [vide Libet] & consciousness [viz Christof Koch] are demonstrable illusions.

        • What’s the blunderbuss for? you can’t repell ideas w/a gun…confess your sins & follow Jesus.

          • ABBAsFernando

            I disagree, our founding fathers in America certainly did just that. EVIL must be DESTROYED completely and totally. No amount of appeasement and surrender to the EVIL doers of the world will EVER ACHIEVE LASTING PEACE.

          • Guns & fascism killed 220 million, 1914-2014, but are feckless against ideas–or you wouldn’t be so angry that secular values & practices are advancing so rapidly world-wide, despite brutal suppression [google the new algorithm adumbrating an indifferent majority in this country by mid-century]…the ‘Biblos’ [a product of 700 writers & editors over a millennium], has never been less influential–as for the KJV, it’s a literary chef d’oeuvre, but an obsolete translation causing a lot of mischief.

            You helped slaughter 2 million nationalists [so-called Commies] in the bogus-Tonkin Nam, yet it’s prosperous & developing fast today, like China…what did that get you, except a mind twisted & perverted by hate?…you were cannon-fodder, amigo…we victims should stand together, not spew venom at straw-men conjured by President Cheney, Jerry Falwell, CATO & the Kochocrats [who cast you down to bottomless perdition & penury].

            Gedanken hypothesis: would you rather have an atheist-lesbian in the Offal Office who actually revives your prospects, or a Reagan-Bush/supply-cide toady of Wall St investment bankers, who tomorrow morning will be limo’d in from estates built w/your money, scheming to screw you again…who is your real enemy? awake, fellow precarian!

          • ABBAsFernando

            In a WORD BULLSHIT! Force NEVER WORKS. The folks of Viet NAM regret the communist takeover of their nation. Just ask them! Easy to do nowadays.

            You are held in utmost contempt by your puppet masters. They refer to you as a Useful Idiot. You are just that. Name one successful communist, socialist, fascist society! China and Viet Nam only became successful after adopting principles of the free marked system. Hong Kong taught China the lessons learned in generating money.

            Perhaps you would be much happier in Cuba, some Muslim mud hole, or deep in some other third world mud hole.

            You are EVIL worshipping MONEY and the things it buys. You follow CAIN a son of Perdition fb before he was born..

  • Pendy1

    “Mahmood called Michigan Daily a radical leftist publication.”
    So? It always has been. BYW, UM is where Tom Hayden published the Port Huron Manifesto, to give you an idea of the politics of this place.
    Pendy1, UM BSE 1962

  • Tonto

    An over reaction like that is almost always proof that there is a serious threat perceived by the so-called aggrieved party. The left is VERY afraid of criticism….they just cannot handle it.

  • glorybe2

    You can see the issue right on this thread. There are people who simply hate. They do not respect any ways of life other than their own. For example calling people leftest or communists as if it is a curse word really is reason to fire a person. The truth is that communism is often bad. But it is also true that in some places communism has been a blessing. Vietnam is doing better under communism than it did under any other system of government is one example. Communist China is doing better than Mexico. Socialism is working well in Europe. Americans can recognize and admit such things without thinking that communism would work well in the US. Is simply being real a justification for hatred?

  • gotcha1

    U of Michigan is run by a bunch of complete cowards! They are actually bending over to radical idiots of the left and can’t find their way, so they jump in with the main stream media garbage, thinking that is the correct way to proceed. Anyone find their compass yet?

  • Cliff Britt

    The U of M states emphatically that one may express any point of view as long as we approve. Stalin and Hitler thought like that so it must be okay.

  • What did he actually say?…if no threats, then this extreme radical decarbonizing tree-hugging feminazi insists he be rendered whole!

  • Of course, even common-sense plunges to extinction across the long arc of history…virtue flows from vigesimals of experience, reflection & sacrifice.

  • James in Texas

    And, some people still ask……….”What happened to Detroit and Michigan”? Once a long time ago (20th Century), Detroit was the wealthiest city in the world, then it got “Progressivism”, and the resolute is on display in this article!

  • graybuffalo

    The epitome of hypocrisy. But then, what do you expect from the lunatic left.

  • graybuffalo

    The epitome of hypocrisy. But then, what do you expect from the leftist-indoctrinating Universities across Amerika?

  • J. Ernst

    This is a STATE-RUN INSTITUTION. BUT, they can censor ANYTHING they consider what might be contrary to THEIR business agenda. MONEY TALKS. If the donors of this university speak against ANYTHING, then the “board” must kowtow. Ever wonder WHY “Mega-Farm” and AG research into GMO’s CENSOR the professors and students who have proved GMO’S to be POISON? MONEY TALKS!!! The college boards KOWTOW!!! It’s THAT SIMPLE!!! If it is STATE RUN & FUNDED the peoples must speak up if the “message” is contrary to the citizenry.

    Universities are small yet financial power-houses thanks to BANKS, CORPORATIONS AND the GUVMINT’ supporting the “Student Loan” fleecing structure. Universities produce certain mind-sets AND RESEARCH which are PAID for by donors and supported by local and federal politicians, which AWARD these universities with state and federal GRANT $$$…YOUR & MY TAX DOLLARS!!!

    Therefore, if citizens of the United States who DON’T LIKE the 1st Amendment censorship at this college, they should INUNDATE the congressmen/women of this state with emails and fax’s STATING SO.
    Do IT! They have to accept these and the statistics WILL be noted.
    Other than the above-mentioned, that all that can be done in a civil manner.

  • Christian Ijin Link

    This article’s headline is a blatant False Flag Lie.
    1. O.M. violated policy by writing the same article for two different papers.
    2. O.M. was given the choice of working for either paper, but not both.
    3. O.M. decided to resign.
    4. O.M. was not fired.
    5. O.M. was not censored.

    The truth is online…google the writer, google the paper…read all the facts for yourself. The writer of this article wants you to be mad…so he lied to you. Have a GREAT DAY!

  • Mike

    We’ve allowed this cancer called socialism to fester far to long. My opinion is, it is to late to stop or even curtail any influence it has on our everyday lives. We got drunk on our own freedoms, passed out and couldn’t wake up. So now we have to enjoy the fruits of our laziness, which is tyranny. Our government will overrun and control us. We lose-communism wins.

  • crab apples

    Alert the media (and FOX Noise propaganda network….Lindbergh baby is gone)….MORONS…. How many student newspapers at any major University are pro Conservative? NONE is the correct answer, If you want to swim upstream then just consult with a very strong swimming Salmon. Is this muffling of “free speech”? NO, he now has a nice job lined up at any TEA Party nonsense spewing organization, including writing propaganda a copy for FOX Noise network So grow up TEA TARDS and stop complain.

    After all, YOU are the legislative leaders now. So what great improvement ideas are coming from Bonehead Boehner and McConnell soon? Congress has started and what’s on the agenda? I will defy one of you to answer what they have in mind besides going after the worst industrial idea (Keystone XL pipeline project) in the last 100 years in America.

    You are dimwits and have NO IDEA of what those two bozo leaders of yours might try to do in the next two years. This much I do know. TEA PARTY will be next to extinct as a politically relevant group by 2016. Y’all will have nothing good and you will case major REGRESSION of anything that you want to legislate. If you have better information than this, please look me up. I am happy to discuss any TEA Party ideas (oxymoron, TP has NO ideas at all) and we will look at facts, not conjecture and hyper fabrications of problems, like immigration, OK MORONSzzzzz?

    • Christian Ijin Link

      But, Mitch McConnell took full responsibility for the recent surge in the US economy and blamed it on the resounding Republican victory in November.

      • crab apples

        That Mitch is one bright bulb isn’t he. GW Bush leaves at DJIA of 7,000 and the minute McConnell strides back into his office in Jan of 2015, lo and behold DJIA is near 18,000. Sure Mitch, you did it all buddy.

        Just say NO works really well doesn’t it? What else will he take credit for? Gasoline below $2 per gallon in the central U.S. too, even though he’s a Kentucky hick. He can say that he did that one too. He’s saving the environment too, by allowing Koch brothers to write new EPA legislation. He will keep the name and the building, but not finance any people to put in the cubicles or offices. That is a great , just say NO idea.

        Now he can say that immigration is now under control and no further action is needed.Then he will say the Constitution is now safe since he is the Leader of the Free World. No 2/3 vote of HR and Senate to change the Constitution will ever get by sly old Mitch, slime ball . What’s Bonehead Boehner got cooking in the new Commie hunting House of reps? Will they open Joe McCarthy style hearings about who is with us and who is against us in America (the Michelle Bachmann principle of the House?) ? ….. Maybe an impeachment proceeding would be in order. After all Obama has just destroyed this country , right TARDSzzzz ?

        • PAUL JOSEPH

          rotten apples again

  • Oingo Boingo

    The following used to apply only to The Ivy League pervert/commie/A A smeared “Institutions”.
    Now, insert “Michigan” or whatever Hard Lefty open air cesspool is relevant.
    “I’d rather have a daughter in a brothel, than have a son at ____________.”

  • John P

    State schools have an even greaater responsibility for insuring freedom of speach than private schools. This student needs to know about FIRE and get one of their lawyers involved. Bug bucks judgements can change attitudes. Prof Susan Douglas needs to be sanctioned for illebral attitudes,

    • Christian Ijin Link

      He wasn’t fired. Do your research. Susan Douglas was writing for an independent publication NOT associated with U of M. So there is no conflict.

  • disqus_OmfLP56r4s

    The University of Michigan is (last I checked) a state school. And, it’s illegal for a governmental organization to punish anyone merely for expressing an opinion (even a spiteful one).

    I would call the ACLU and threaten a lawsuit.

    • Christian Ijin Link

      He wasn’t punished. Do your research.

      • disqus_OmfLP56r4s

        I responded elsewhere, so I won’t reiterate all here. The link you provided (to another columnist’s opinion) quoted the stated reason, which the newspaper gave in print. It also opined that there were alternative grounds for dismissal which may not have violated constitutional law. Even assuming that’s true, to rely on such grounds now is a pretext. Legally, it’s irrelevant.

  • Art Hock

    Tenure and the radical teacher’s union has allowed this liberal sickness to continue to grow unabated while it is destroying the minds of our young people. The liberal progressives have to silence or ridicule anybody who has a brain and is an American Patriot. The libs are nothing but communist/Marxist thugs in disguise.

  • teaman

    So, where are you sending your kids for higher education?

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      Not to flippin MI~!

  • Gea

    The Catholic university in the Midwest had established a division for study of Islam chaired by some Arab guy who gave a lecture about Jihad and economy lying through his teeth about the meaning of “jihad”. His salary is paid by the local Islamic Center and mosque, which had been also organizing courses on “Islam-the religion of peace”. One should not be surprised about Muslims blocking the free speech since they have had full support of Barack Hussein Obama who constantly extols Islam and Koran, and defended Mohamed at the UN, probably indirectly inspiring Paris terrorists by telling:

    “The future does not belong to those who denigrate the prophet.” This prophet Mohamed was a pedophile, polygamist, rapist, misogynist, looter and mass murderer who in any decent and sane society would be convicted for his crimes against humanity and not emulated by 1,640 millions of Muslims worldwide who consider this criminal as the “most perfect human being who ever lived” and their “beloved prophet”. Criminal role model creates criminal followers, as we daily see with terrorist attacks on non-Muslims. That is the nature of Islam, which has a goal stated by the Muslim Brotherhood of Barack Hussein Obama “to infiltrate America and destroy western civilization from within to establish the only true religion of Islam to rule over all others.” They are already in the White house, which is doing everything to promote their cause!

    • mustangsallyann

      Not only that but it was Mohamed’s wife who decided he was a prophet, only to backtrack years later when she stated his beliefs changed with his desires, most of which persecuted anyone or thing that he thought went against the things he wanted. If he wanted another woman, it changed from a sin to acceptable behavior, for men only. Now they can legally force a woman into marriage lasting days to a couple years to claim it’s not adultery and then put them in the streets once tired, with nothing and no rights at all. He wanted your physical possessions, it was no longer theft but a duty to give them to him.

  • Gea

    Mahmood called Michigan Daily a radical leftist publication, and he recalled a conversation there about endorsing Green Party candidates because the Democratic Party was getting “too conservative.” He told Greta Van Susteren, “I don’t understand how an 800-word piece, a satire… threatened anyone.” Mahmood said he has received hundreds of emails from liberals and minorities saying that he did nothing wrong.

    “Freedom of speech, which is what the left actually preaches and what these social justice warriors promote – tolerance, equality – is exactly the opposite of what they did to me,” he said.

    This Mahmood who had pointed out to stupidity and intolerance of the LEFT is a kind of Muslim that could help reform Islam and make it compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and US Constitution. Barack Hussein Obama had been using KGB methods of intimidation and harassment of those who opose his neo-Marxsist and pro-Islamist views.

  • mac12sam12

    That’s liberal hypocrisy for you, they believe in the 1st amendment as long as you agree with the liberal philosophy.

  • Dannie Poe

    Shame on the University of Michigan. When we start firing someone for freedom of expression we start down a slippery slope. Freedom of speach does not apply for liberals alone. It seems to me that this university wants to suppress those with different view points. Expression of thought is what makes this country great. Would you rather live under communism where free speach could put you behind bars or worst?

    • Christian Ijin Link

      He wasn’t fired. Do your research.

      • Dannie Poe

        What does “lost his job” mean? This was stated in article. Was he promoted?

  • Carol

    This student is right. The left preaches tolerance, non-discrimination and equality, but only if you agree with them. If you disagree, you get fired, censored, and threatened. Hypocrisy at its worst!

  • jrogersp

    It was because you are Muslim not because it attacked the lefties in a Satirical manner! Although the only time they can laugh at them selves is when they are portraying a PIG! Just don’t let them look into a mirror because then all you get is a crying dimwit!

  • crab apples

    When was the First Amendment repealed TEA TARDSzzz? I must have missed that 2/3 vote in both the House of Reps and The Senate with Obama signing away a few prohibitions of government. It was all done in the dark of night, right?

    “The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

    The Bill of Rights was originally proposed as a measure to assuage Anti-Federalist opposition to Constitutional ratification. Initially, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress, and many of its provisions were interpreted more narrowly than they are today. Beginning with Gitlow v. New York (1925), the Supreme Court applied the First Amendment to states—a process known as incorporation—through the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), the Court drew on Founding Father Thomas Jefferson’s correspondence to call for “a wall of separation between church and State”, though the precise boundary of this separation remains in dispute. Speech rights were expanded significantly in a series of 20th and 21st-century court decisions which protected various forms of political speech, anonymous speech, campaign financing, pornography, and school speech; these rulings also defined a series of exceptions to First Amendment protections. The Supreme Court overturned English common law precedent to increase the burden of proof for defamation and libel suits, most notably in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964). Commercial speech, however, is less protected by the First Amendment than political speech, and is therefore subject to greater regulation.”

    So when NYC COPS stated that peaceful protest was verboten, not allowed in New York city any more, was that a new Constitutional prohibition TARDSzzz? Why did they just pronounce a death sentence on Eric Garner for illegal cigarette sales, no charge, no trial ,just sidewalk strangling? Then why did the Grand Jury say that the strangling cop was perfectly within his jurisdictional authority, despite the six other cops that were with him that surrounded Eric Garner? Is this what freedom of the press and right to peaceful assembly is now interpreted to be in New York city?

    Can the best TARD Constitutional Lawyer come forward to explain the recent NYC police opinions on law and insubordination of their boss, De Blasio? Can just one moron explain any of those questions directly put to conservative racists everywhere. Please, just answer one question.

    Is it OK to just strangle a guy rather than cuff him, take him downtown and book him and put him in jail so he can pay a $500 fine or something to get out of jail? Is strangling on the street the accepted punishment for a sidewalk sales presence? Can just ONE TARD step up to the plate to answer this simple question? Is New York city a sovereign state, with their own Constitution and other stuff like that? Is that how New York city works with the Irish street judges? Can just ONE TARD explain how these new legal procedures work there in the big city? Can just ONE TARD explain why the turn your back racist cops haven’t been fired yet by De Blasio? Can just ONE TARD answer a direct question? Not likely, right TARDS?

    Freedom to assemble, now gone because NYC racist cops say that it’s so. Hmmmm, that’s Constitutional isn’t it in TARD dumb ville? It makes sense to me if I were Neanderthal sub human species as all TARDS seem to be. Right TARDSzzzz? ? ? ? ?

    • PAUL JOSEPH

      Rotten apples again

      • crab apples

        So how are those NYPD patrols going these days luvft? Are the turn your backs cops still employed there? They should be on the street selling illegal tobacco cigarettes and trying to find a REAL job like every one else,.. IF you have a point to make, .then state it butt flagger boy. Other wise just STF up because you are a TEA TARD incapable or logic or reasoned discussion. Or am I wrong TARD boy?

  • [email protected]

    I noticed no one stated they read the article. I have. It is not satire when you invoke your own prejudices into the piece without any substantiation.

  • glorybe2

    Sadly it seems that the majority leader of the house of representatives has ties to the KKK and other right wing groups. He has been a paid, guest speaker for them at times. The right wing worships these pukes.

  • glorybe2

    I find the arguments over unions role in purchasing shifting to Japanese products quite out of date. We are now in an era in which the price of labor is not a factor. Today the real issue is whether my robots and computers can work cheaper than your robots and computers. Small businesses still use human workers but the businesses that are large have moved well past that point. For example wrist watches and watch bands have been assembled by machines for about the last 40 years unless one is buying some silly, high priced watch. Even major car parts like engine blocks or heads no longer require any major machining at all. Modern casting techniques provide enough accuracy to where most machining has vanished. There are even machines able to pick strawberries that only pick the ripe strawberries so that humans are absent from the picking process. The medical industry is very aware that machines will replace most doctors soon. We are in the most sudden revolution of all times and it is not political in nature.

  • Roscoe

    Then why in the hell did you terminate the young man for saying what was on his mind, we are all aloud to have our own opinion, sorry but you people sound like you don’t want the truth but you will keep on believeing all the lies obama tells every time he opens his mouth, Idiots

  • Dolly

    U of M – how can you have double standards and then say you don’t? It’s sickening this university has fired someone for “freedom of speech” and doesn’t fire Susan from stating to hate Republicans. This university used to be respected by me………..NOT now. This is horrible – U of M should be so ashamed of themselves – disgusting!