You Won’t Believe the Reason This Elderly Woman May Lose Everything

Washington florist Barronelle Stutzman has owned her flower shop for forty years, and for nine years she had known Robert Ingersoll. Ingersoll frequently ordered flowers from her, and they had become friends. A few months after same-sex marriage had become legal, Ingersoll came into the shop to ask Stutzman to provide the flowers.

It was a difficult decision for Stutzman, who is a committed Christian. She went home and discussed the request with her husband, and ultimately she decided participating in the wedding would violate her Christian beliefs. She explains, “I just took his hands and said, ‘I’m sorry. I cannot do your wedding because of my relationship with Jesus Christ.'”

The refusal began trending on social media, where it came to the attention of Washington State Attorney General Bob Ferguson. Ferguson then charged the 70-year-old Stuzman with breaking Washington’s anti-discrimination law.

Recently, Benton County Superior Court Judge Alex Ekstrom found Stutzman in violation of the law, and he granted a summary judgment ruling that she must provide the same services to same-sex couples as she does to the general public.

The Blaze reports:

“For over 135 years, the Supreme Court has held that laws may prohibit religiously motivated action, as opposed to belief,” Ekstrom wrote in his decision, according to the Associated Press. “The Courts have confirmed the power of the Legislative Branch to prohibit conduct it deems discriminatory, even where the motivation for that conduct is grounded in religious belief.”

The state and the gay couple at the center of the legal battle are both able to collect damages and legal fees from Stutzman’s business — Arlene’s Flowers & Gifts — and from the florist personally, according to her attorneys at the Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal firm.

“The court somehow concluded that forcing Barronelle to create expression against her will does not violate her free speech and free exercise rights under the state and federal constitutions,” Alliance Defending Freedom attorney Jonathan Scruggs said in a statement. “To the contrary, this ruling ignores the pre-eminent civil right law of our nation – the First Amendment – and allows the state to force citizens to choose between conforming their beliefs to the state’s ideology and suffering severe consequences.”

Ekstrom had previously ruled that Stuzman could be sued personally, and the law allows for penalties of up to $2000 per violation, plus legal fees. A spokesman for the state said it is likely the fees will be enforced. Since the case began two years ago, the florist has continued to refuse to provide flowers for any same-sex marriages.

Her attorneys plan to appeal the case. Because both her business and she personally are being sued, Stuzman’s home and savings are at risk.

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  • Andrea Hall

    Barronelle Stutzman – put herself out there by Choice, not by faith. If she wishes to make a statement such as this, let her freely take responsibility for those consequences. Freedom of Speech comes with a price, especially if you own a business that serves the Public. The Hate Speech is unnecessary and sad, but her business being effected by her choices to make this public is her own free will. It’s the way people Move forward for change and equal rights. It’s got nothing to do with taking away someone’s business. This entire GOP Slant on this is mis-leading and should be viewed as a lesson by other business owners who feel that their faith tells them to “discriminate”. That’s a lie..

    • Combat Veteran Seabee

      The discrimination is by the lgbt or whatever they call themselves. They didn’t need to do this, they could’ve gone to another store, but no! They push the masses around. Wait until push returns as a massive shove by the masses.. KMA fag lover!
      This is a member of the masses practicing my rights! The first amendment!
      Your rights in no way trump mine!

      • Andrea Hall

        I believe you’ve been in “Combat” a long time. FULL OF HATE AND FULL OF RAGE. Sounds like you’d be great for ISSL.

        • sandman

          Did you read the part ” I took his hands and said I am sorry, but I can not do your wedding because of my relationship with Jesus Christ”. This was after we were all told they had been buying and selling flowers for years before this. It was some prosecuting attorney, after seeing this on the social media that pursued this further . The good woman had not bigotry in her! the bigotry come from the gblt crowd like yourself, who cannot leave a Christian be. AS a Christian, I myself always love the sinners, but can not in good conscience go along with any sinful life style. I have friends and family who are “gay”, and most of them are, but a couple of them are very radical in their beliefs of their life styles and we do not talk all that much, as I cannot ever get them to listen to me! It is I that has to listen to them! When you tell Combat Veteran Seabee, he is full of “hate and rage”, that in itself is hate and rage, as the only thing you have any place to say to him, or any Veteran is Thank You Very Much!! for protecting my rights, and everyone else’s rights! In return we would say Thanks. There are plenty of places we all can get what we need, if those in question have some humility and compassion, as they both go both ways! you should be able to give to receive! There are plenty of gay flower shops around to do any weddings that need to be done, without hanging some Christian out to dry!

          • Franie

            Thank you sandman.

        • Franie

          You and your ilk ARE the closed minded bigots here. How dare you think you can infringe on this woman’s first amendment RIGHTS!! You hateful liberal bigot.

        • White & Proud

          fags are not beautiful people!!! I believe you’ve been “brain-washed” a long time! What we hate is people like you who think they can just run over us with your pathetic lifestyle choices. Lady … please stop wasting good oxygen!!

      • Franie

        You got that right!! Amen and thank you!

        And thank you for your service to our great nation minus the liberal nut cases.

      • carroll wood

        get rid of religion, get rid of guns, make people dependent on gov, take from wealthy and give to deadbeats. what don’t you understand about communism, sailor?? obummer and supporters are destroying this country. Thanks for your service, combat veteran USAF

    • lrn2play

      You are so full of crap and everyone can see right thru you. Because you have a chosen life style that makes it ok for you to stuff it up my back side? As a business owner people should be able to turn business away and that is for any reason. Period. If their business fails because of it then that’s their fault but to be forced into some thing because a very small minority with questionable moral questions forces you is wrong. They don’t accept tax money to run their business and they should be able to serve who they want and don’t want.

    • Franie

      Hey dimwit – she had been selling flowers to this guy for YEARS. She has a RIGHT to refuse service on her religious beliefs dealing with a WEDDING, moron. He can simply go elsewhere, it’s not going to kill or maim him. “Freedom of speech” is EXACTLY THAT – FREEDOM of SPEECH. How dare you or anyone else dictate her MORAL VALUES! The price of shed blood bought her that Freedom of Speech! There is no hate speech about it, nimwit. You liberal a$$s ought to be ashamed of yourselves for denying her God given RIGHT to her moral compass. Shame on you, you bigoted liberal a$$!!!!!

    • White & Proud

      the ENTIRE DUMBOCRAP SLANT on everything is mis-leading!!! Stop spreading your pathetic liberal anti-American, anti-God agenda you useless waste of oxygen!!!

    • Candice Hiler

      What hate speech are you talking about? I heard NO hate speech from her! If you have an issue with her stance, take it up with God. He made the rules, she just lives by them. Good luck getting Him to change His mind.

  • RIMILITIA

    We all Need to Understand something about our “Rights”……………….My Constitutional Rights END when they Begin with the Next person’s Rights………………………

    • Warpaint

      RIMILITIA, These rights are being eroded from within, I can no longer speak my mind without being called bigoted or racist, yet colored people can call us crackers and other dirogitory names and not get called on them being just as bigoted and racist as the ones they point the finger at. What ever happend to the right to refuse service to ANYONE? There are no other flower shops in that area? Screw the militant gay mafia… they could patronize a gay flower shop there are TONS of those.

  • Al

    No flowers for you.. (Jerry Seinfeld) Seriously .. It would be more Christian to love everyone. Sell them the flowers.

    • sandman

      Can you read? the good woman was selling the flowers for years to the other person, it was only till the “wedding” she refused to go along with due to her Religious beliefs.

      • Al

        Want me to repeat it? It would be more Christian to love everyone. Sell them the flowers. Jesus preaches love not discrimination.

        • R. Eilers

          Good answer

        • LibertysSon

          I was a Chritian Cop for 30 years. I loved the criminals I arrested but never felt God wanted me to enable their immoral activity.

          • sandman

            Good answer.

          • lrn2play

            I love your answer. It’s a point that so many people can not comprehend.

        • sandman

          Jesus taught us to love the sinner and hate the sin. There is no discrimination involved.

          • Al

            It seems it to me.

          • Candice Hiler

            Is ANYONE free to marry a person of the opposite gender? After all, that is what constitutes a marriage…one man and one woman. The answer is YES, therefore, no discrimination. By definition, two people of the same gender cannot marry.

          • Al

            Who are you to say they cannot? You would take their right from them? Anything else you would not allow?

          • Candice Hiler

            It is not me that is saying that…it is God. He has created and defined marriage as the sacred union of ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, representative of Christ and His church. It is HIS perfect design for family and societal stability, in which to raise healthy, morally upright children. By definition, two people of the same sex cannot be married. Now, if you want to try to change the definition, what would your definition include? Three people in a ‘marriage’? Animals and people? Children and adults? Whole groups in the same ‘marriage’? Inanimate objects and people? Kinda hard to draw that line anywhere else but where GOD put it, isn’t it. NO ONE has taken any rights away from the gays. They still have the right to marry a person of the opposite gender, don’t they? Anything else is not a marriage.

          • Al

            You make the rules. I see. You are to be ignored.

          • Candice Hiler

            Hello, dummy, I didn’t make the rules. GOD made the rules, a long time ago, and He does NOT change His mind, just because a bunch of immoral idiots want to do their own thing.

          • Franie

            They only want to defile marriage for the benefits it bestows to their partner upon death. What a travesty.

        • White & Proud

          … Jesus did NOT accept gays. Stop rewriting the bible to fit your faggot agenda.

          • Al

            You White and proud are not a Christian. It even shows with your screen name. You pervert the Bible like the Westborough Baptist Church.

          • Tucker Rhonica Toler

            Jesus wants all people to be saved. He does not accept the sin, but he wants the person. “ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god. If you condemn gays without trying to introduce them to Jesus, you are sinning and deserve hell as well…

          • Al

            I’m a Christian and also a constitutionalist. I’m one who appreciates and loves the Bill of Rights. Obama doesn’t. He believe it gives us too much freedom. He did state that on an occasion.

          • raffaelecafagna

            You Up-voted yourself again

          • raffaelecafagna

            Al up voted himself ; what a retard

          • raffaelecafagna

            YOU Up voted yourself

          • Al

            ??? What the heck are you trying to say?

          • Candice Hiler

            I’m pretty sure you don’t get to make that call.

          • Al

            Only YOU can make that call? You are to be ignored.

          • Candice Hiler

            Where did I make that call???

          • Al

            I’m a faggot now? You are full of hate.

          • Franie

            Jesus referred to gay people as an “abomination”. It’s in the Bible!

        • Tucker Rhonica Toler

          Where would you draw the line for your own freedoms that the government shouldn’t cross? If Obama states that you shouldn’t own a firearm, should you just give it up as a “good citizen”? If the government says that you do not need a van for your business – a 50 mpg little car will do you just fine, would you just obey? If the government says that you cannot wear a cross because it offends Muslims and atheists, do you agree to that? Christians are the only group that are expected to be “tolerant”. During the Nazi rise to power, it was the Jews. The thing that they both have in common is a belief in moral absolutes – the only thing that, throughout history, holds a civilization together!

          • Al

            Good points but not to the extreme Shia Muslim Laws extent.

          • Franie

            Are you advocating that Christians can’t wear a cross because it would be offensive to a Muslim? Surely you’re not THAT STUPID!

          • Al

            I wear a cross.. Now you are calling me stupid.

        • Candice Hiler

          Jesus preaches love, but He does NOT support that which God, His (and OUR heavenly father) forbids!!! Get that through your head. And if you have a problem with it, take it up with God. Good luck changing His mind.

          • Al

            I have no problem at all. It seems that you do. Why did God make people in different ways? Some animals have been observed performing with same sex. I like the Bible but it is not all the words of God. Man has added a little bit to suit themselves I’m sure.

          • Franie

            That is where you are very wrong! Only man perverts sex. And the Bible IS the Word of God. Know it and believe it!

          • Candice Hiler

            Man is above the animal kingdom. God’s laws do not apply to animals, as they have not been given the abilities, talents, nor dominion over anything else like He has given to man. And do tell, how many of these animal acts between animals of the same gender ever resulted in the propagation of the species? There is a reason for that, you know. And where is your proof that God created homosexuals and that they did not CHOOSE that perverted lifestyle? I’d also like to see your proof that the Bible is ‘…not all the words of God…’.

          • Al

            You also believe all Obama says also. Man added some to the Bible to suit themselves.

          • Candice Hiler

            Where in the world do you come up with that? You are so obtuse and delusional that you make no sense at all. Now, prove that I EVER supported ANYTHING about Obama and prove that man added to the Bible to suit humankind. You can’t. The scriptures admonish us to neither add, nor take away from His holy word!

          • Franie

            You know what God is going to say to them, “I NEVER knew you”! That’s a fact.

        • Franie

          Want me to repeat it? You’re a moron.

      • Mr. Ed

        They didn’t just want to buy flowers. They wanted her to participate in the wedding ceremony by decorating the place where the service was and later the reception was to take place. She could sell them flowers. She just couldn’t participate in the ceremony because of her beliefs.

    • lrn2play

      What do you stand for? You can love the person but not the acts nor support their acts. Love doesn’t mean selling your values short. That is the most Christian.

      • Al

        Selling crack or cocaine is illegal.

        • raffaelecafagna

          Again , again , again ; are you confused. ??????? You UP- Voted yourself

      • Al

        I’m a Christian, a pro-lifer and I’m pro-second amendment. I’m a constitutionalist.

        • raffaelecafagna

          Al , YOU UP- voted yourself again

          • Al

            Up voted myself? ?? You talk funny.

        • Franie

          Could fool me with your quips.

    • White & Proud

      … using your logic you moron … why not sell them crack or herion???

      • Al

        I am a moron? Not even close.

        • raffaelecafagna

          Yes indeed you are ; you up-voted yourself again ; you know why . ???
          Because you are a Moron .

          • Al

            You certainly are a strange one. What does up voted mean?

        • Franie

          FYI to Al – you’re very close to that of a moron with your unenlightened remarks.

          • Al

            I’m developing a very low opinion of you. You are to be ignored.

    • Candice Hiler

      Who said she didn’t love them? I stand behind her 100 percent! She would be violating her own Christian beliefs if she were to support this so-called ‘marriage’.

      • Al

        Then she would support the couple and be glad for their happyness.

        • Franie

          I’m sure she does. She has the right not to condone it.

        • Candice Hiler

          You make no sense at all. None, but that’s what I’d expect from a nonthinking individual who obviously has no clue about what the Bible teaches.

        • Candice Hiler

          You cannot be a Christian if you support homosexuality. PERIOD. God condemns it and if you support it, you are NOT being Christian. She should NOT violate her obviously TRUE Christian beliefs and principles.

          • Al

            Candice: You are not a loving Christian and you are not a judge. You are not an ordained minister nor are you doing Gods work. PERIOD. I do not wish to associate with you orally or listen to your views as your views do not show a loving nature. Go over the TEN COMMANDMENTS again as those are Gods Laws. Follow those laws and you will be acceptable to God. Let him be the final judge.

    • Franie

      And condone a serious offense in God’s eyes? You too, are a moron.

      • Al

        You are calling me a moron? I’m telling God on you. I could stoop to calling you names but I’m above that.

  • doormouse

    Sad to watch morality legislated out of existence.

    • Franie

      Not if people turn the tables back on these liberal nut cases as mentioned in podunk1’s memo above.

      • Richard Olsen

        If you can find a lawful court; and good luck with that.

    • Franie

      Only because we have let it be. That’s got to change. This country needs it’s MORAL COMPASS back.

  • Huffer

    Anti-Discrimination should apply only to races of people! Discernment of ethics is not a legitimate reason to say a law has been broken.
    The homosexual has no more right to impose on someones services then the accused person has to deny that service because of personal belief! It’s only two beliefs opposing one another.
    Satan hates it when a Jesus believer wins a debate.
    Smiling and acting as if what the customer is doing is great and beautiful is the same as condoning it. Like smiling and saying Islam is a religion of peace! Doing either one is the same as lying so a Christian chooses to tell the truth. Like the florist, I choose to take sides with my Creator, not Satan.
    One does not have to believe truth for it to be truth.

    Remember the one who told Eve she would not surely die? He’s the same one telling the homosexuals it is ok to do whatever feels good. They too will die, not just once, but also the second death.
    Many of my friends are homosexuals and I still love them, but they know where I stand on their sexual activities and I enjoy their company outside their bedrooms! They don’t ask me into their practices because they know I won’t go. They don’t sue me for that choice though!

  • LibertysSon

    So a socalled friend of many years preempts his friendship because of what he does with his genitals. Pretty much up sums up the problem with the Gay Mafia mentality

    • mk

      LibertysSon, I agree why is it the homosexuals can force a person to accept them or they sue them, NO OFFENSE but homosexuals are getting carried away with their rights

      • Franie

        And they’re infringing big time, on ours.

  • Wayne Thorson

    The legality of this is the same as a person who wants to open a bar. If he wants to open a bar and make it for smokers only, he can’t . So what makes her think she has more rights than this person?

    • Franie

      It’s time to vote your liberal politicians out of office. Actually, your democrat politicians. It’s those politicians that are shoving this crap down our collective throats! If a bar owner wants to cater to smokers only, it should be his prerogative, likewise, if the woman above doesn’t want to sell due to religious beliefs, that’s her prerogative!

      Da^m the liberals and their liberal agendas! Political correctness is crap!! Not only is it crap, but it is evil!!

      • Wayne Thorson

        I bet the Lord looks down on you and says to himself how could I be responsible for creating such a BIGOT. I don’t know what your Bible says but mine says your suppose to love everybody. Go back and read what you wrote and take a good look at yourself. Gays are human beings to. The way you talk about them it’s almost criminal. People or bullies like you have been picking on them since they realized they were gay. If a piece of paper between them makes them feel better it is a good thing. It’s not going to stop them from whatever they do that makes you upset one way or the other. Grow up.

        • Candice Hiler

          Show us where Jesus ever supported, condoned, promoted, accepted, and agreed with homosexuality. Actually, He is looking down upon all this willful sinning with strong disdain. READ YOUR BIBLE! A MARRIAGE exists only between one man and one woman, PERIOD. God created and DEFINED marriage as just that, to be representative of the relationship between Christ and His Church. Where does any kind of homosexual ‘union’ meet that description? It DOESN’T, therefore homosexual ‘marriage’ does not exist. Homosexuals have the very same opportunity to marry someone of the opposite sex as everyone else, so there is no discrimination. This florist did NOT prevent anyone from choosing to marry a person of the opposite sex. It will NEVER be a good think in the eyes of the Lord, as it is an abomination unto him and homosexuals will never inherit the kingdom of God. It’s in the scriptures…take it up with God, not those who are simply reiterating His word.

    • White & Proud

      wayne … for a cowboy you’ve been smoking too much crack! She has the right to say NO!!!
      I’m sure there are lots of faggot run flower shops out there she could go to.

      • Wayne Thorson

        So where is the right for a smoker to go to a bar and smoke a cigarette with his beer? He should have the same right as you assume that she has. You know he can’t find a bar he can do this. You don’t need to do any name calling either. They are human beings also. And sign your name. You don’t need to hide behind an alias if you are so proud of your comment.

        • Candice Hiler

          There is a big difference between smoking (and harming other patrons with your smoke) and demanding that she violate her Christian beliefs. It’s shameful that anyone should have to get the pencil out and draw that picture for you.

          • Wayne Thorson

            I know you want to discriminate against smokers also. My argument is why can’t a person open a bar and have a sign that says WE CATOR TO SMOKERS ONLY? Now tell me why you would be against that.

          • Candice Hiler

            What does that have to do with the government violating and removing this florist’s first amendment rights? NOTHING!

          • Wayne Thorson

            Where does it say in the first amendment that anyone has the right to discriminate against a certain group of people?

          • Candice Hiler

            She didn’t discriminate. If she had discriminated, she would have prevented these queers from actually getting married. By definition, she didn’t discriminate because a marriage exists ONLY between one man and one woman, as created and defined by God and she did not prevent them from marrying someone of the opposite gender. Two queers will never have a marriage, therefore she did not discriminate. The government, how ever, DID discriminate against her and violated her first amendment rights to her freedom of religion. Now, don’t be so obtuse…it’s not that hard to figure out.

          • Wayne Thorson

            There you go again, showing that you don’t understand the difference of church and state.

          • Candice Hiler

            And I asked YOU to show us all where there is ANY mention of separation of church and state in our founding documents. Don’t bother looking…it isn’t there, ANYWHERE.

          • Wayne Thorson

            I don’t know why I waste my time trying to educate a bully minded bigot like you. I know it is useless. I would like for you to tell me why that gay couple down the street bothers you because they have a piece of paper between them or not? If they don’t have that piece of paper do you thing they are going to stop doing what they are doing. You know they are not. So stop and smell the roses.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Democrats and Republicans both agree that there needs to be a separation of church and state and no one argues this point except people like you that want your cake and eat it to.

          • Candice Hiler

            You mean including this florist, who has had her first amendment rights completely stripped away??

          • Wayne Thorson

            Of coarse she has first amendment rights as long as she doesn’t step on someone else’s rights and that’s what she wants to do.

          • Candice Hiler

            You know this how? You don’t even know me, do you. Good thing, you don’t seem like the kind of person I’d like to associate with.

          • Wayne Thorson

            How do you feel about associating with colored people?

          • Candice Hiler

            I have plenty of friends of different ethnic persuasions…Asian, Black, Hispanic, Caucasian…next question, please?

      • Candice Hiler

        Maybe he’s a ‘Brokeback Mountain’ kind of cowboy.

    • Candice Hiler

      God’s laws always trump man’s laws. She has a constitutional right to live her faith and NO ONE has a right to violate that!

      • Wayne Thorson

        Obviously you don’t believe in separation of church and state.

        • Candice Hiler

          Where is that written in our founding documents? And how is that statement violated anyway? She is not forcing her beliefs on anyone. The government, on the other hand, is taking away her First Amendment rights. How’s THAT for separation of church and state???

          • Wayne Thorson

            Obviously you don’t understand what separation of church and state means. You want your cake and eat it to by the way you talk. I would bet if you walked into a bakery and they refused to serve you because they didn’t like the color of your hair that you would feel discriminated against and you would have a big law suit against them.

          • Candice Hiler

            No, you’re wrong. If I couldn’t get what I wanted from one bakery or florist, I’d find another. It’s not like those are extremely rare commodities. Can said baker, florist, photographer, musician, etc., sue me because I visited their establishment and because I wasn’t pleased with the quality and contracted with another company? Kinda works both ways, doesn’t it. And there is NOTHING in the scriptures condemning the color of a person’s hair, but there are plenty of scriptures condemning the act of homosexuality. Kind of a big difference, don’t ya think? Never mind…you DON’T think.

          • Wayne Thorson

            Only in your bigoted mind can you justify yourself. It hasn’t been that long ago when blacks couldn’t use the same bathroom as whites or drink off the same water fountain. But you bigots have learned to live with that. Wake up and get with the program.

          • Candice Hiler

            I’m not a bigot, but if it makes you fell better, call me whatever you wish. Following God’s teaching does NOT make one a bigot…look up the definition and tell me where it says that being a Christian makes one a bigot. GOD makes the rules and He does NOT change his mind! Homosexuality is a sin and an abomination unto Him and if you have a problem with that, take it up with Him. Good luck changing His mind.

  • LibertysSon

    If a member of Aryan Nations went into a Black owned Flower Shop would the owner be forced to supply flowers to a wedding of skin heads? Ridiculous!

    • podunk1

      Counter sue with First and Fourteenth Amendment Supremacy, Article Six, and second oath/duty… Allow no law, precedence, or judicial uttering to the contrary be entered into the case. Demand that any judge or lawyer involved confirm that they have taken oath to support and defend the Constitution without any reservation.

      (1) “…Congress shall make no law respecting religion, or prohibit free exercise thereof… reinforced by (14-1) …No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridege privileges or immunities of citizens…”
      File individual civil action against plaintiff, and any law enforcement, official, prosecutor, judge, etc. involved. Any signing the “law” would also be liable if the law wording includes religion (it should contain an exception for it) Demand oath bound officials/judges be barred from office (Amendment 14-3)
      Other reference: Article 1 Section 3 “…”…shall NEVERTHELESS be liable and subject to indictment, trial, judgment, and punishment, according to law.” & SCOTUS – Scheuer v. Rhodes (1974)

      • Franie

        Thank you podunk1.

    • James

      I find it interesting that a business that refuses to serve someone with a gun violates the second amendment but a business person who refuses services to an individual because they are gay or look like a muslim is constitutionally permissable.

      • LibertysSon

        Where did the Straw man Muslim thing come from. And who is talking about guns?

        • James

          A couple of months ago there was an incident, I believe in Texas, where an owner of a gun range refused to allow two men to use her range because they “looked like Muslims”. Yesterday I received a email from Patriots asking for folks to vote on some open carry issues including a question on whether they were boycotting several national chains because they were asking folks to not open carry. My comment or question is why it’s okay for some businesses to refuse service to certain folks but not okay for others.

          • Franie

            Go ask your liberal dimwits that question. I should be able to have the right to offer or not, any service or goods. Period. The Constitution backs me up!

          • James

            So it’s okay to refuse folks with guns service at your business? Or is that question too tough for a conservative brain dead dimwit too answer.

          • Franie

            Yeah, if it’s MY business and IF I deem it unsafe. You liberals need to pick up a copy of the constitution and read it. Go educate yourselves.

          • James

            I hope you’re right wing gun toting friends still talk to you after that comment. According to them their are no restrictions on their freedom to carry.

          • Candice Hiler

            Where in the founding documents are there listed ANY restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms?

          • James

            Perhaps something to do with a regulated militia

          • Candice Hiler

            Are you saying ‘regulated militia’ means we, as individuals, cannot keep and bear arms? I don’t agree with you.

          • James

            No thats not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is that seems to create the possibility that their might be reasonable regulations, like 12 year olds shouldn’t be able to buy a gun or folks with criminal histories or those with mental health issues should not be able to buy guns.

          • Candice Hiler

            Where are those restrictions noted in our founding documents? Lots of 12 year old boys have owned and handled guns in a very safe and respectable manner throughout history, have they not? And who gets to determine if a person is mentally unstable? That’s a pretty slippery slope. And here’s a news flash…criminals aren’t going to go into the local gun shop to buy a gun where they are subjected to a background search, etc.. they are going to obtain them by CRIMINAL means. Not a hard thing to figure out. In true liberal fashion, you want to condemn the majority because of the actions of a very few. In this case, that’s a very dangerous position!

          • James

            But if we didn’t have background checks criminals could go into a gun shop and buy a gun. Assuming every 12 year old would be a responcible gun owner is a lot bigger slippery slope than my comment. Just so you don’t escape with your liberal comment. A majority of Americans support background checks, something like 80%. And a majority of gun owners, I’ve seen a 70% figure, also support it. Your comment would indicate that all those gun owners are liberals. I can’t wait to tell them.

          • Candice Hiler

            I have no idea where you come up with the crap you spew. There is nothing leftist about anything I have ever said. What part about ‘A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.’ do you NOT understand? I asked you to show me where in ANY of our founding documents that there is ANYTHING about what age, mental state, or ‘criminal’ history is mentioned, along with what types of guns, what kinds of ammo and how much can be used, and for what purposes guns can be used. THERE IS NONE! I also asked you to provide information on WHO gets to determine mental stability. You have no argument. PERIOD.

          • James

            Not sure if you are technically challenged, I simply did a search “Public Opinion Gun Background Checks” But why confuse you with the facts. Whats interesting is apparently the public strongly supports background checks, they are pretty much split 50 50 on gun control issues. For some reason the public doesn’t consider background checks as a gun control issue. And finally why do all you folks eliminate the word “regulated” in the second amendment. Were you a personal friend of the writers of the constitution and know exactly what they meant by “well regulated militia”?

          • Candice Hiler

            You are intellectually challenged. Who cares about public opinion? Our government certainly does not. And there is no where in the founding documents where exceptions are made for public opinion. You still haven’t answered my question. Because you CAN’T??

          • James

            And you have your head so far up yoiur butt that you can lick your molars. “WELL REGULATED” just because you don’t like my answer don’t say I didn’t answer your question. Too bad you can’t time travel, you would have been a perfect brown shirt supporter of Hitler. The only opinion that counts is mine screw the rest of the world.

          • Candice Hiler

            ‘well regulated’ does not answer the question. Go back and reread what I asked. WHERE in our founding documents is there ANYTHING about what kinds of guns, what kinds of ammo and how much that people an have, and for what purposes can they have them, and WHO CANNOT have them? You obviously do are seriously deficient in comprehension skills, as you don’t grasp ‘…the right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed’. PERIOD! Hitler took guns away, just like you want to do, commie.

          • James

            If I could have a civilized conversation I might continue but your only consistent answer to everything is name calling and insults. More typical of a Nazi than an American.

          • Candice Hiler

            I have asked you the same questions at least three times and you have failed to answer because you can’t. Speaking of name calling,you’re pretty good at it. Obviously you have no understanding of our founding documents or of typical Nazi behavior. You are incapable of having any civilized discussion because you have NO FACTS!!

          • James

            I have answered your question but since my opinion doesn’t fit your restricted views it doesn’t count. The world changes, stuff that worked in 1776 might not work today, that’s why women and blacks can vote and slavery doesn’t exist. If you are so in love with those times why not time travel back and you can be a non voting second class citizen.

          • Candice Hiler

            You did not answer my question. Please provide the text that restricts gun ownership to ANY American citizen for ANY reason from our founding documents…particularly with respect to types of guns, types and amount of ammo, age of said persons, mental stability, or criminal status. IT ISN’T THERE, so you have not, and cannot answer the questions!!! Now, is there anything in our Constitution that has changed that? NO! Is there anything in our Constitution that changed the right for women to vote and for slavery to be abolished? YES! Your opinion has nothing to do with what is written in our founding documents nor does your opinion provide the sole basis for our laws, thankfully. End of discussion.

          • James

            Thank God

          • Franie

            James, you didn’t answer ANY of Candice’s questions, and you can’t. Know why? Because the FACTS are not in your court.

          • Franie

            Candice, James is either trying his da^mdest to change the subject or trying to spin, like a good liberal, the facts in your statement. Just ignore him.

          • Franie

            Candice didn’t say nor refer to ANY such thing. Don’t be turning this table around, it’s not going to work.

          • James

            No, I’m not saying that. I was asked why I thought that there was anything in the Constitution that allowed for some restrictions on gun ownership. The conversation was about background checks.

          • Franie

            It is our RIGHT to have a regulated militia if one is deemed necessary to protect our unalienable RIGHTS of LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. You got a problem with that?? If so, you are the problem, not the solution.

          • Bill Cottrell

            You are so correct! The Constitution says it clearly, “the ‘right to bear arms’!
            James, please re-read Franie’s post; he did NOT state Anything about color, race or ethnicity. Many businesses have it posted on their doors, “NO shoes, No shirt..No service! THAT is their Right!!!

          • Franie

            Leave it to a liberal to misconstrue what I ACTUALLY said. IF I deem it unsafe, means just that. IF a thug looking low life walked into MY business brandishing a gun, they will be shown the door. I would welcome any upstanding citizen to carry in MY business.

            Geez, leave it to a dimwitted liberal to take things out of context!!

          • James

            And how do you define a low life, would not have anything to do with skin color or any other bigoted opinions

          • Franie

            It would have nothing to do with skin color, and I don’t know what you mean by “other bigoted opinions”.

            Care to expound on your bigoted opinion. Hmm?

          • Al

            Anti gun jerks.

          • Bill Cottrell

            The real problem here is that 95 % of the American people themselves do NOT know what is in the Constitution!! As a Vietnam Veteran – and very proud of it – we should still have the military draft, and every citizen should have to pass the US Constitution test every 8 years…..and that includes EVERY politician, before they take an office.

          • LibertysSon

            Great answer. Thanks.

          • Franie

            No it wasn’t.

          • Al

            I carry mine concealed. Anywhere I want. They like my money.

          • Bill Cottrell

            I realize it is a law that minors not be allowed by purchase liquor or cigarettes, and I fully support those laws. BUT the Constitution (if we still have one) permits us the right to choose as a business owner who we want to serve. It also has always been that we not provide military aid and money to our enemies….and yet that is exactly what our government(Obummer and clan) are doing when we continuely send financial aid to the Iranian government. Our Imposter President has chosen NOT to serve the citizens of this country in the manner that he supposedly swore to do……AND WHY is that still permitted?/

        • Barrustio

          We’re talking about Constitutional rights…evrything is relevant…when one is violated, others are destined to follow…take away freedom of religion…guns are next…then we install an emperor.

          • Candice Hiler

            We already have an emperor. Now he’s taking away freedoms and coming after guns.

          • Franie

            And the liberals are just fine with that.

          • Barrustio

            Yeh, I know, I was directing my post to those still in denial.

          • Candice Hiler

            Oh…sorry!!

          • Franie

            It is a constitutional RIGHT to choose whoever and whatever your moral compass dictates or doesn’t.

          • Barrustio

            provided one HAS a moral compass

          • Candice Hiler

            That’s why the gays and lefties have their panties in a bunch. They can’t fathom any one having a moral compass…they don’t even know what morality, virtue, and integrity are!

          • Barrustio

            Exactly that’s why they have such disdain for Christians…they really hate to hear anyone who reawakens their consience to what is obviously wrong

          • Al

            I’m on the right and my sex life I keep quiet.

          • Franie

            This country better get back into having a ‘moral compass’.

          • LibertysSon

            OK, Now I understand your stance. Thanks for the polite and thorough explanation.

          • Al

            They are in trouble if they pat me down to see if I have my Ruger .38. I carry concealed. ( Don’t touch me)

          • Barrustio

            I hear you…loud and clear..I CC the LEO favorite backup ankle strap weapon …the Berretta Tomcat 32…small yet effective

          • Al

            Very good friend. Nice choice.

        • William Burke

          You can’t be serious.

          • Richard Olsen

            He certainly can be serious. We already have the emperor. Have had for almost 154 years.

          • Franie

            What??

          • Richard Olsen

            Check it out for yourself. No president before the start of the Civil War EVER issued an executive order. The constitution gives no power to the president to make, or change, law. The power of the president granted by the constitution is to, “see that the laws are faithfully executed”. When the titular head of a nation gives orders, by whatever means, that have the force of law, or act to alter the constitution or the laws passed by a legislative body, in other words override the constitution or the laws as written and signed, there exists a monolithic power. The law then becomes whatever the head of government says it is at any given moment; because the head of government can change it by simply ordering the change.

            Abraham Lincoln issued the first executive order, Executive Order No. 1, on April 15, 1861. EVERY president since Lincoln has continued making or changing law by edict. (executive order) Come next income tax day, we will have had a monarch, or emperor, or dictator, as a matter of fact. What we chose to call him (all have been male) is of no consequence.

            If you pursue your inquiry further as contained in the original documents, the Congressional Record, the executive orders themselves, and the UNITED STATES CODE, you will find that our post Civil War history as it actually occurred is far different than that you may have learned in our government schools. You will find that the united states of America as a constitutional republic ended on March 27, 1861. And – – – that we have been governed by one if three private municipal corporations since March 17, 1871, and that all three of them went bankrupt. The current one went bankrupt in June of 1933.

      • Barrustio

        It’s the liberal way

        • Franie

          Not a very good way to be.

          • Barrustio

            It IS rather stupid

      • Franie

        Nobody is talking about turning away Muslims. Gays live in sin and we are talking about religious freedom to choose.

        • Sam W

          I rather doubt the muslin religion condones gay marriage as well. Or am I wrong?! They (the gays) are out looking for attention and to make life miserable for the rest of society…….

          • Candice Hiler

            I’d love to hear a story about some gay people asking a muslim business to provide products/services for their so-called wedding.

          • Al

            They just want to be treated like all people.

        • Al

          I HAVE THE FREEDOM TO TAKE MY BUSINESS ELSEWHERE.

    • Barrustio

      Good question…let’s test it.

      • William Burke

        You’re absolutely correct. Testing is the only way to shift things off their current state.

  • Clint Heinson

    This country was founded on religous freedoms among other rights,and this is another example of the Obammmma administration s twisted rulings through islamist style ideas…….

    • lrn2play

      He is only part of a bigger liberal agenda. Look around you at school boards, local town offices, state and federal offices. Get to know them. Then ask yourself would you want them running your family. Oh and ask your young ones in school what are they learning in school. Especially in social studies or what ever they call it today.

      • TabBCat

        My mother used to have me bring home my copy of the current social studies book used in my school and read it, marking with a slip of paper with references anything she found that was contrary to factual history.

        • Candice Hiler

          Good Mama you had!! Wish more people did that.

        • lrn2play

          You had a mother who really cared and she should be saluted.

      • Franie

        All liberal professors/teachers ought to get the boot! They’re poisonous to a civil nation.

  • John Burks

    are liberals the only people who have rights?

    • Franie

      That’s a really good question I’d like an answer to myself! Liberals are a tiny fraction in this country. Why are they always portrayed as bigger than life? Why is it that only liberals can insist on something, anything, and always get it? Why are they allowed to change the laws of this land at will? Why are they allowed to use ‘political correctness’ as a weapon to shut the moral people in this land up? Yeah, I’d like an answer myself!!!

      Why is Obama and Holder and the Clinton’s, Reid, Pelosi, Shumer, Durbin, etal. always allowed to break the law and never suffer any penalties whatsoever? Yeah, I want an answer!!

      • Barrustio

        The squeakiest wheel gets greased (no pun)

    • William Burke

      I don’t know. Are you positive you’re not conflating religious opinion with rights? If customers who want to kill all gays came to her because of her stand on the flowers, do you think it’s okay for her to take them as customers? Because they’re both “Christians”, I mean?

      What if the couple were devout Christians also?

      • Candice Hiler

        There is no such thing as a devout Christian gay couple. Homosexuality is clearly an abomination unto the Lord, so they can’t profess to be Christians while outwardly defying God’s directives. And customers who want to kill gays are NOT Christians, either. There is NOTHING in the Bible that advocates taking those matters into one’s own hands by killing.

      • mk

        William Burke, what? seriously? get real here, of course Christians do not promote or support murder of anyone, gee and the couple would not be gay if they follow Jesus, Jesus tells us all to TURN from their sin, REPENT of that sin follow Him and He will change you from the inside and complete the work He has begun in you, homosexuality has already been condemned by Jesus and He will NOT contradict Himself, so the couple would not be a devout Christian and be homosexual it’s like oil and water, it doesn’t mix. God will Bless this lady for her honoring God and taking a stand against that which is in violation to God and God is there for her and He will deal with the homosexuals HIS way and no one wants God’s Wrath, trust me on that

      • Franie

        That is a stupid, stupid statement and totally illogical!

        • William Burke

          That is a stupid, stupid question and totally illogical!

          • Franie

            Something to be said about redundancy, don’t you think?

    • mk

      John Burks, again exactly, why do they keep shoving their behaviors and their rights in everyone else’s face, if someone doesn’t agree they should have their right to say no also

  • Papa Ritz

    It is her personal business, she has the right to turn away any possible client, she feels uncomfortable serving. Like; ” no shirt / no shoes prohibited. “

    • mk

      Papa Ritz exactly

    • Sam W

      This gay couple cannot go anywhere else to get flowers? I rather doubt that! They just want to draw attention to their lust for SIN! She should have the right to refuse on religious grounds. This union surely WILL NOT be blessed in Heaven…….

      • Wayne Thorson

        I’ll bet a bigot like you are against blacks marrying whites also. It wasn’t to long ago this was a law in the South. How long do you think it will take for you far right Republicans to stop and smell the roses.

        • Foodbandid

          The government already has its nose in too many areas of our lives. Right down to what you buy at the grocer, where you work, who your doctor is, what is medically wrong with you, what type of gun, car, house, clothes you own, what sites you visit on the internet, where you shop, where you eat, where you attend church. In fact your whole life is an open book to Uncle Sam.. Enough is enough. I don’t care who you have sex with, screw your dog if you want. But to go around bragging about it and expecting Christians or decent citizens to accept it is something else…

        • Candice Hiler

          That isn’t even a valid argument. If a black man and a white woman choose to marry, or a black woman and a white man choose to marry, they STILL meet the definition of MARRIAGE, as created and defined by GOD, not some bunch of sicko willful perverts. God made the rules…take it up wit HIM and let us know if He changes His mind. (p.s. He WON’T!)

        • Sam W

          I rather doubt that; I had a good friend (black) who married a white girl. In fact, he never dated black women. And both parent were black (nice people) and they DID NOT condone his going out with white girls! Little do you know…!

      • Franie

        There’s not a one, homosexual marriage/union, that will EVER have God’s Blessings.

  • lrn2play

    Is there any question as to why so many people have problems with queers? I use to think that as long as you didn’t harm me and mine and didn’t try forcing your chosen life style you were free to do what ever you wanted. Well that time is past. This is what the liberal agenda has gotten us. A very tiny minority 3% have done every thing they can to destroy our society with it’s social and moral values.

    • Franie

      They’re nothing but degenerate thugs!

  • gpicha

    She has the right to refuse the “wedding”, the fag has the right to go elsewhere for flowers. Although she can send poison ivy & sumac.

    • Candice Hiler

      Do you really think that is a Christian act, to send poison ivy and sumac???

      • gpicha

        I’d rather shoot or hang the fags. She can refuse service to anyone. The fags can go elseware & it will cost her the wedding. No harm no foul. Where are her rights? Or do the fags over ride hers?

        • Candice Hiler

          I agree wholeheartedly that her rights to believe and live her religious views has been taken away, and that is totally unconstitutional. However, as a CHRISTIAN, we cannot lie, or do such unChristian things as you suggest and still say we are following Christ’s teachings.

          • Komplikator

            Where is the “thumbs down” button” ??

  • johnathon1234

    It is her persnal business and she should be able to refuse anybody services.

  • Denver Girl

    Let me get this straight. If I am a Christian, I cannot refuse to use my god given talent to make a wedding bouquet for a gay marriage, if I own a bakery and I refuse to make and decorate a wedding cake using my god given talent to decorate the cake, for a gay couple, I will have my store closed, yet if I am a Muslim and I refuse to make a cake for a Christian couple, that is OK and the same for the florist IS WRONG. IF WE THE PEOPLE DO NOT STAND UP WE WILL LOSE ALL OUR RIGHTS, REMEMBER IT STARTS LITTLE BY LITTLE. The middle East wants to take over the world with Muslim Religion and the FAR LEFT IS HERE TO ASSIST THEM. THEY FORGET THAT IT WILL ALSO COME TO BITE THEM AS WELL AND THEY WILL SOON REALIZE THEY HAVE LOST EVERYTHING AS WELL. WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND AND IT WILL BE TOO LATE.

    • Richard Olsen

      We have by degrees already given up our rights. As a whole, there are so few who stand up for anything, or anyone, that the tyrants we have allowed to enslave us are now able to act against any of us they choose to with near absolute impunity. We occupy the world’s largest insane asylum as its inmates. We are for the most part living under the delusion of being free while accepting controls, statutes, regulations, edicts, taxes, licenses, certifications, requirements, searches, seizures, fees, permits, covering about all of our daily acts except breathing. We’re NUTS!

  • John Hyland

    I blame the court system for entertaining frivolous lawsuits, but we live in a litigious time and it seems anybody with the $$$ can sue for any reason. The courts can throw it out, however, but they don’t for fear of ridiculous counter measures and that’s what bottles up the courts at all levels.

  • White & Proud

    folks … either we stand up and say… “NO MORE” to this crap … or the politicians are going to take more and more of your personal and religious freedoms away from us. I’VE MADE THAT COMMITTMENT. The politicians are now our enemies … including liberal judges and lawyers.
    I made a pledge to protect America from all enemies foreign and domestic. The foreign ones we know about … the domestic ones are politicians, judges, lawyers.
    STAND UP AMERICANS. STAND UP AND SAY FUCK NO!!!!!!!!

    • Franie

      And I stand with you!

  • R. Eilers

    Religious freedom is not the freedom to deny rights to others

    • Al

      Righto R. Eilers. I agree.

    • Candice Hiler

      What rights have been denied to whom, besides the right of this florist to live her religious beliefs?

      • R. Eilers

        According to the judge that convicted her, their right to not be discriminated against

        • Franie

          Oh, bullcrap. Her moral compass is being violated and your saying that’s OK? You’re a moron.

          • R. Eilers

            Moral compass? Lol

          • Franie

            You quite apparently have none! What a pitiful shame and excuse you are.

        • Candice Hiler

          They are not being discriminated against. This florist provides her product and services for WEDDING ceremonies, and that implies a MARRIAGE. MARRIAGE has been created and defined by God as a sacred union between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN, representative of the relationship between Christ and His church. Gays have the very same option to marry a person of the opposite sex as anyone else. By definition, this wacked out ‘same sex wedding’ does not constitute a marriage, by definition. Therefore, NO DISCRIMINATION!!

          • R. Eilers

            Keep living in the 20th century and see how far that gets you. God also says to kill a child that defies a parent. You dont seem to go by that rule. Discriminating against any group that’s not harmful will lead us to pure segregation of all faiths, races and political party affiliations. That only results in perpetual war for eternity. Just like the bible taught us!

          • Candice Hiler

            Homosexuals ARE harmful. You keep violating God’s laws and see how far that gets YOU.

          • R. Eilers

            And by the way I wasn’t the judge and a judge can’t convict a person unless they are charged with a crime pertaining to the laws of this country so this woman did break a discrimination law whether you want to believe it or not. America’s laws are not God’s laws. Learn the difference

          • Candice Hiler

            Well, it’s more important to follow God’s law, regardless of what you say, and she did NOT discriminate. If she had discriminated, she would have stood in the way of these gays marrying someone of the opposite sex and no one did that. She can’t provide something she doesn’t offer. YOU need to learn the difference!

        • Candice Hiler

          Load of crap, R. Eilers. Her first amendment rights have been taken away by a sicko queer who would just as soon destroy her business and her financial situation as to go to some other sicko to get his flowers for his fantasy ‘wedding’. Gay people CANNOT have a marriage because a marriage ONLY exists between ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN! He wants her to provide a service for something that DOES NOT EXIST! You are just as perverted and willfully sinful as the queers who are destroying this woman, and the judge who made this sick ruling.

          • R. Eilers

            Her 1st amendment rights stop when they infringe on another’s 1st amendment rights. Marriage between a man and woman only exists in SOME religions NOT in the eyes of federal government. Federal government trumps right wing christian extremists EVERY DAY. It’s not the judge’s law, it UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LAW bitch and you and the rest of you gay bashers must obey GOVERNMENT law

    • Franie

      Hope you’re not talking about the gay dude.

  • Linda Lee

    It’s not as though she is a taxpayer supported public institution. I still feel she is in her right to refuse service to anyone she wishes. It’s a privately owned business.

  • franduffy

    I think she should sell her house to a close for a 1.00 the
    same with her shop. Then let these gay men have fun on 2.00

  • franduffy

    I also would sue the judge for not upholding her equal protection rights under the Constitution

  • Burton Pauly

    What the —k is this nation coming to? Anyone who owns should have the right to refuse services to whom ever they deem is not to their liking.

  • Jacky

    Have you had enough yet?
    Do you still think that reason and votes are the way to deal with the liberal dem bloodsuckers, aka American Jihadists.
    Any more questions about why the liberal fascists want to disarm to you?
    Are you prepared to watch this continue?

  • David

    The gay movement is NOT about freedom, civil rights and fairness for gay people…in fact…it harms the freedom they seek and as this article reveals, it harms the civil rights of those who believe differently forcing them to compromise those beliefs or pay unfair consequences.

    The agenda behind the gay movement is part of the SAME agenda behind man made global warming and that agenda is establishing the Novus Ordo Seclorum……Evidence? The money that supports the gay movement can not possibly come from solely “gay” sources because there simply is not enough support from this minority group. …I suggest that.the money source IS the “elite power brokers” of the “New world Order’…..the SAME source that supports the “myth” of man made global warming.

    Why are the “elites” doing this? Simple….the last obstacle to the establishment of the New World Order is America and the only way the new order can succeed in forming a “one world government” is the economical, political and social destruction of the United States. I suspect the menace of islamic terrorism is also being USED as a pawn by the SAME forces.

    I’m “crazy” enough to suggest that the “forces” revealed in Ephesians 6:12 of the Bible influences the “elites” behind the “agenda.” Hmmm…remember that TV series “X-Files?”

  • BJM2

    This situation is ridiculous!!! What I do in my business in providing a requested service to my customer in no way has ANYTHING to do with my religious beliefs. I am a devout Catholic and stand with Pope Francis on this issue. I have even talked with priests who say that, while the Catholic Church, as an organization, will never perform a gay marriage, they MUST NOT turn anyone away from the table of the Lord. Jesus was always interacting with people who were not in line with His message to man. Also, an infallible God created gays, just as He created blacks and they are equal with ANY Christian or white person. Why everyone, even with their personal biases, cannot see that is beyond my understanding. You have to be able to say, I am just doing business with someone who does not have the same religious beliefs that I do, but they are not asking me to change my beliefs. Does she ask every customer if they are Christian, and then turn away all Jews, Mormons, atheists? It is ridiculous to take this stand. She is defying everything this country stands for, that we are all entitled to the same rights as every other citizen, and she is no better than the Islams. The only way she would be justified is if they were trying to take away her rights or threatening her in any way, and that includes anyone walking in with a gun, James. I am OPPOSED to every citizen carrying a gun which I find scary, knowing the rampant mental illness in this country, but if they are not a criminal intent on harming me, as a business owner, I would NOT feel justified in turning them away. Right is right, regardless of your personal biases or beliefs. If you can’t handle that concept, then don’t work in any capacity that puts you in direct contact with people of differing opinions and beliefs.

    • Candice Hiler

      Yes, Catholics DO turn people away!! I have known people who were divorced, and with every good Biblical reason, but the Catholic will NOT permit those people to remarry. IF the church declares the marriage annulled, it’s essentially saying it did not happen. Then please explain just where these innocent children, borne to that union, came from? I do NOT agree with Catholic teaching on many levels! I also do NOT believe that God purposely creates gay people. If your Catholic faith allows you to compromise your Christian beliefs for some sinful garbage created by man, I feel for you. You ought to do some reading of Scripture and a lot of prayer!

    • Franie

      YOU ARE NOT A CATHOLIC!!! If you are, then you are a hot tub catholic that has her nose ‘stuck where the sun don’t shine’. You know nothing about what The Lord has said regarding homosexuals. They were put down here to do special penance, to find favor with The Lord. They are failing miserably in God’s eyes.

      It’s people like you who are destroying the very fabric of moral conscience in this country. Many men and women have shed their blood to give us our freedoms to choose from our own lawful moral compass. To deny us this, is going against what this country has always stood for before the da^m socialist, Marxist, communist, liberal sick mentality took over.

      Above I gave reference to several passages in the Bible. I highly suggest that you look up and read those passages before spouting your liberal leftist nonsense on this thread.

  • Quitwhinning

    Extremism in direction leads to conflict. Live and let live.

  • The Fox

    Between the homosexual nut jobs and the Islamist nut jobs this nation is going to hell in a hand basket without flowers. Kicked God out of government, out of schools, out of the public square and now private business and even many so called churches, repent and invite Him back in or this nation is toast.

    • Franie

      Very aptly put. Thank you.

  • Carolann313

    She should have made up a different reason why she didn’t want to accommodate the queers … this way, they can’t give her a hard time.

    • Candice Hiler

      Christians don’t lie.

      • R. Eilers

        Christians don’t discriminate

      • R. Eilers

        Christians aren’t a hate group…..lol

      • Carolann313

        What?

        • Franie

          Lying is a sin. A mortal sin at that. “Thou shalt not bear false witness (lying)” saith The Lord. Candice should have said that Christians shouldn’t lie. No one should lie. But the liberals have it down pat!

          • Carolann313

            Lying is NOT a mortal sin. Killing is a mortal sin. What school did you go to? I went to parochial elementary school and parochial high school … made my communion and confirmation. No where did I learn that lying is a mortal sin. Brush up on your catechism.

          • Franie

            Hey there Carolann, I can’t help it if you were asleep during religion period. I too, went to parochial school where it was droned into us that LYING is a mortal sin. Shall I reiterate for you? “Thou shalt NOT bear false witness against thy neighbor” saith The Lord. What the heck do you call ‘bearing false witness’? It’s called LYING!! AND, it is one of Ten Commandments God gave to Moses. You break any one of those Ten Commandments, you effectively have committed a MORTAL SIN!

            I highly suggest lady, that YOU brush up on God’s Word. Open that Bible of yours and start reading it!!!

          • Carolann313

            Lying is a venial sin dummy … end of conversation!

          • Franie

            NO, it’s NOT END OF CONVERSATION!! You are sadly mistaken to think that lying is a venial sin. “Thou shalt not bear FALSE witness” is a COMMANDMENT. One of Ten Commandments that was put down here on this earth by God Himself to Moses! You break any one of those Ten Commandments, GOD’S LAWS, babe, you better repent!

            How dare you mislead the populous with that falsehood – LIE! No, it’s not end of conversation. Open up that Bible and read it!!

            LYING IS A MORTAL SIN, know it, believe it.

          • Candice Hiler

            Maybe both of you should just look into the Bible and forget about classifying sin…God hates ALL sin…to Him, sin is sin and none is pleasing in His sight. Makes no difference, all are to be avoided.

          • Franie

            That’s very true Candice, however, even though God hates all sin, a venial sin just may be able to squeak one into heaven with penance for that sin done in purgatory. Mortal sin has absolutely NO CHANCE of heaven unless it is seriously and sincerely repented. Note that a repetitive sin is CONDEMNED by Our Lord. It’s in the Bible.

          • Candice Hiler

            Lying is a sin, period. I am not Catholic and God hates ALL sin. Doesn’t matter if it’s a mortal sin or otherwise.

          • Carolann313

            Thank you.

  • suz

    Why he just didn’t go somewhere else they have to be seen and heard. I’m sick of this and wish they just go back into the closet

  • Jimh77

    It is her business to serve the people she wants to and not serve those she doesn’t want to regardless of her reasoning. For the State and or Government to step in and cause strife like this is unconstitutional. Our far reaching Government has got to back the FK off. This is pure stupid.

  • The signs of the end times are everywhere…

    As we witness such things as the spread of globalism, the building of a one-world church, the increase of wickedness, the breakdown of the traditional family, the destruction of that priceless bastion of liberty called America, the normalization of homosexuality, the callous murder of babies, the filthy pop culture, the breathtaking increase in governmental surveillance, we become fearful, uncertain, frustrated, angry, and discouraged, but this is because our minds and hearts are too focused on things of this world rather than things above. Too often we have the same short view that “conservative” unbelievers have rather than the long view that comes from the light of Bible prophecy…

    The devil is the god of this world, and his handiwork is evident everywhere, but he is not God and he is not in control of the times and the seasons.

    “Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding” (Dan. 2:20-21).

    We should stand in the confidence that the present evil is exceedingly temporary and will soon be cut down.

    Please visit our Bible Prophecy website at: itshallcometopass.org

    • Brevity is the soul of wit

      Yawn!

  • mk

    Apparently they were not friends he had NO RESPECT for her whatsoever, if they were actually friends he would have known about her beliefs and would have not hurt her like this

  • Jack Strohbach

    What am I missng? Is this the only flower shop for a hundred miles? Since when has the proprietor of a business lost his right to serve or refuse to serve ANYONE he wishes? Is this the gay/Muslim exception?
    And then gays wonder why some straight people hate them? How about learning to get along instead of getting in my face? Same with Muslims and pork! Chow down!

  • Vi Case

    sister I am praying for you. I have asked God in Heaven to please allow you to be one of the people that will win over this evil that is fighting against you. Remember that God will alway be there with and for you no matter how this turns out keep your faith. I as a Christian do not believe in same sex marriage either. It is our right and freedom in this country to keep the Christian beliefs we choose. It will not be forced up our country. We must all stand strong together as we the People of the United States have our constitutional rights and are tired of being told we can not practice them. Oh Heavenly Father I ask that you put a loving guard around this woman, around her family, her home and her business. In Jesus name Amen.

  • Sean Rickmin

    This woman was absolutely correct in her decision.You should NOT be forced to do something that you do NOT agree with.EL’BOZO and his fugitves from a funny farm should ALL be moved to a remote island for their affliction,anti constitutionitis.Let them govern that.Call it quarantine for life!

  • game50

    All of this because of the 1st Gay couple in our W.H. …. Barry and Michael (LaVaugh Robinson) a.k.a. Michelle

  • Sam

    Shows what a dirt bag this guy was to have great service from this lady and when she refuses because of her beliefs and doesn’t want to do a wedding he turns on her like dirt! She even recommended other florists in the area that would but NO lets break this old ladies business and life! How do they live with themselves including the crap judges!!